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What did Jersey do to the sign and trade market

Créé par: Campabee
Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 9 juin 2023
Publié: 9 juin 2023
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Did Jersey just tank the sign and trade market by trading Severson with an extension for basically the price of trading his signing rights? A top 4 RHD with an agreed 8 year extension should have gotten a very heafty return, instead all Jersey got was a 3rd round pick. I know they have a lot of players to resign but man that might have just screwed teams like the Jets who are looking to cash in on a sign and trade of PLD, hopefully this is just a one off thing but if not there will be a ton of disappointed fans across the league.
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    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 44
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    This sure sounds like a habs fan just trying to justify the ridiculous PLD proposals they make on a daily basis lol.
    Unfortunately for you guys you just lost ALL the leverage when he said he would sign with multiple teams AND he would want more money to go to a rebuilding team. Which is what the Habs are.
    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 47
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    PLD and Severson are completely different situations

    UFA rights are not worth much
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    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: Campabee
    I hope that's the case, I just think that trading a Severson for a 3rd with an extension in place is bad for the market. Look at it this way Florida paid a 1st and 3rd for Chairot without an extention in place. Montreal paid a 4th just to acquire the rights to Allen, is Severson with an extension only worth a slightly better pick than an unsigned Allen? IMO Severson with an extension agreed upon should have gotten a 1st + or at least 2 2nds.


    The Chiarot trade and Severson are not at all related either.
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    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 50
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Sure he can, it's called an OS and he has already said he is willing to go that route before


    That’s not walking as an RFA. Winnipeg still retains his signing rights until an offer sheet is signed or a trade happens. I really don’t think you understand the concept of RFA.
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    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 51
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Yes he could have but he didn't he signed and then was traded. That's my point, at the time of the official trade he was signed for 8 more years and Jersey knew this was the case. It wasn't like they traded his signing rights then he extended. I don't really care about the value of PLD it worries me more in terms of the Habs trade market next year or the year after. Look at it this way, if Montreal traded Drouins rights he may return a 4th or 5th round pick, now if they had a deal in place to sign him then trade him his value should be a late 2nd early 3rd depending on term and cap hit. Severson should have been worth at least double that IMO


    So do you think it is fair if the Devils traded Severson's UFA rights for a third?
    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 59
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    That’s not walking as an RFA. Winnipeg still retains his signing rights until an offer sheet is signed or a trade happens. I really don’t think you understand the concept of RFA.


    They're probably just trying to troll Jets fans or stir 💩 up on here.
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    9 juin 2023 à 12 h 59
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    Quoting: pensburgh571
    This sure sounds like a habs fan just trying to justify the ridiculous PLD proposals they make on a daily basis lol.
    Unfortunately for you guys you just lost ALL the leverage when he said he would sign with multiple teams AND he would want more money to go to a rebuilding team. Which is what the Habs are.


    You really didn't look at any of my ACGM's involving PLD have you. Almost every one of them is a 1st + Kidney + Dvorak and lately I have been adding a 2nd or 3rd because the Panthers pick is so late. Basically the trades I make are similar to those made by Jets fans who aren't asking for 3 1sts. Also as I said many times throughout this ACGM, I don't care about how this affects PLD, I care about how it affects or if it even does affect players now and in the future (especiallythe Habs players).
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    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 2
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    Quoting: Devil
    So do you think it is fair if the Devils traded Severson's UFA rights for a third?


    IMO, yes Severson without the extension should have gotten a 3rd or 4th. With an extension I would have expected it to be a much better package
    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 7
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    They're probably just trying to troll Jets fans or stir 💩 up on here.


    Why do you think I am trolling the Jets? Because I mentioned them and PLD? I only mentioned them cause they were the first team I thought of with multiple big contracts expiring in the next year. I suppose thinking about it now I could have used the Rags as well with Kane and Tarasenko expiring. Would you expect either of them to only return a 3rd if they were traded with an extension in place? I wouldn't
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    Quoting: Campabee
    IMO, yes Severson without the extension should have gotten a 3rd or 4th. With an extension I would have expected it to be a much better package


    The only reason there was an extension was because Columbus/Severson wanted the extra year

    It does not add any value to the trade

    Same reason Matthew Tkachuk was signed for 8 years then traded to Florida
    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 18
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    Quoting: Devil
    The only reason there was an extension was because Columbus/Severson wanted the extra year

    It does not add any value to the trade

    Same reason Matthew Tkachuk was signed for 8 years then traded to Florida


    I see, I just feel like a signed Severson would/should be worth a t least 2 2nds but if I am looking at it wrong I apologize and I guess that's why I am not an NHL GM lol
    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 25
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Why do you think I am trolling the Jets? Because I mentioned them and PLD? I only mentioned them cause they were the first team I thought of with multiple big contracts expiring in the next year. I suppose thinking about it now I could have used the Rags as well with Kane and Tarasenko expiring. Would you expect either of them to only return a 3rd if they were traded with an extension in place? I wouldn't


    Nobody is gonna do a sign and trade for Kane with his hip surgery shelfing him for 6 months. I could possibly see one with Tarasenko but definitely not Kane.
    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 31
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    Quoting: Campabee
    Why do you think I am trolling the Jets? Because I mentioned them and PLD? I only mentioned them cause they were the first team I thought of with multiple big contracts expiring in the next year. I suppose thinking about it now I could have used the Rags as well with Kane and Tarasenko expiring. Would you expect either of them to only return a 3rd if they were traded with an extension in place? I wouldn't


    Yes I would, they're essentially already UFAs, teams aren't going to pony up big assets for a guy that close to UFA.

    Cbus bought DS's 8th year for a 3rd, again its minor business.
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    9 juin 2023 à 13 h 35
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    Yes I would, they're essentially already UFAs, teams aren't going to pony up big assets for a guy that close to UFA.

    Cbus bought DS's 8th year for a 3rd, again its minor business.


    Ok I guess I am just looking at the situation wrong, that's fair. I apologize for making you think I was trying to troll or whatever, that was far from my intention
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