Trying to make necessary moves

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Créé par: MoForNorris

Équipe: 2023-24 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 2 juin 2023

Publié: 3 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Ryan Leonard (7th) and Lukas Dragicevic (21st) end up being our first round picks, Wings trade up to 7th (from 9th, see trade with Flyers) and back to 21st (from 21st, see trade with Chicago) also trade for DeBrincat (plus sign) and send away a future 1st (see trade with Ottawa)

As well as bring in Kilngberg and Schenn for the right side on the back end, bring back Gagner for 4th line C and Smith for a physical 13th forward. Assuming Cossa is 2 years away, bring in a vet goalie for those 2 years. Resign Oesterle as your 7th D.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
DeBrincat, Alex		7	8 500 000 $
Smith, Givani		1	900 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Gagner, Sam	1	900 000 $
Klingberg, John	3	4 200 000 $
Raanta, Antti	2	2 500 000 $
Oesterle, Jordan	2	1 200 000 $
Schenn, Luke	2	1 525 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Leonard, Ryan		3	950 000 $
Dragicevic, Lukas		3	950 000 $

Offres hostiles

Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans

JOUEUR	AAV	COMPENSATION
Smith, Givani	900 000 $	Aucune compensation

Transactions

DET

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PHI)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

7th, 95th/96th overall

PHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DET)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)

Détails additionnels:

9th, 42nd, 43rd overall

DET

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TBL)

Détails additionnels:

21st and 53rd overall

CHI

Chiarot, Ben
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DET)

Détails additionnels:

17th and 41st overall
Chiarot is indeed a bad contract. Makes everyone worse on Detroit (check you'll see in Hronek, Mo, etc) frees up the 3 years and drop a combined 16 spots to do it.

DET

DeBrincat, Alex [Droits de RFA]

OTT

Berggren, Jonatan
Viro, Eemil
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (BOS)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (DAL)

Détails additionnels:

2024 1st rounder is lower pick, the Boston pick is top 10 protected by Bruins.

DET

Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (VGK)

Détails additionnels:

159th/160th overall

ARI

Veleno, Joseph [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Just get rid of the guy.

Rachats de contrats

Justin Abdelkader: 1 055 556 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Jakub Vrána: 2 625 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	67 959 722 $	0 $	5 257 500 $	15 540 278 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
DeBrincat, Alex 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Larkin, Dylan 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NTC UFA - 8	Raymond, Lucas 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) AD, AG RFA - 1
Mazur, Carter 905 833 $905 833 $ (57 500 $$58K) AG RFA - 3	Kasper, Marco 918 333 $918 333 $ (1 000 000 $$1M) C RFA - 3	Perron, David 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1
Copp, Andrew 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4	Rasmussen, Michael 1 460 000 $1 460 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Kubalik, Dominik 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Gagner, Sam 900 000 $900 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Zadina, Filip 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Smith, Givani 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Czarnik, Austin 762 500 $762 500 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Walman, Jake 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Edvinsson, Simon 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG RFA - 3	Klingberg, John 4 200 000 $4 200 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Raanta, Antti 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Määttä, Olli 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG UFA - 2	Schenn, Luke 1 525 000 $1 525 000 $ DD UFA - 3
Oesterle, Jordan 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
DeBrincat, A.		Larkin, D.		Perron, D.
	Raymond, L.		Klingberg, J.

Avantage numérique 2
Mazur, C.		Copp, A.		Kubalik, D.
	Walman, J.		Seider, M.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Larkin, D.	Copp, A.
	Edvinsson, S.	Schenn, L.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Kasper, M.	Rasmussen, M.
	Walman, J.	Seider, M.

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 1

Moss_Bucket

See you space cowboy

Rejoint: mai 2023

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Leonard and the Flyers have been linked together pretty heavily, so I don't think their's much of a chance they would trade down if he's still available.

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3 juin 2023 à 0 h 7

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: Moss_Bucket

Leonard and the Flyers have been linked together pretty heavily, so I don't think their's much of a chance they would trade down if he's still available.

9th and 17th packaged together for 7th is the only way I move for Detroit. That’s my ask to back off of 1 of Leonard, Benson, Smith, Michkov.

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3 juin 2023 à 0 h 16

MoForNorris

Démarrer sujet

Rejoint: févr. 2023

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

9th and 17th packaged together for 7th is the only way I move for Detroit. That’s my ask to back off of 1 of Leonard, Benson, Smith, Michkov.

Obviously depends on Montreal, they'll take either Reinbacher or Benson. Arizona takes Smith at 6th, and also Mitchkov goes 4th. We all can agree Montreal drafts need over best player (look at kotkenami and slaf) But I also do think Philly maybe goes D wherever they pick.

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 17

KPM12

Rejoint: oct. 2020

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I respectfully disagree with the flyers fans above. I think it is a good way for DET to add another top end talent to the pool. PHI definitely needs to add more quantity to the pool and it is a great way to do that. I think at 9, things may still work out how they want or they can move down to 11-12 if it doesn’t

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3 juin 2023 à 0 h 19

MoForNorris

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: KPM12

Philly has no 2nd round picks in this years or next years, I think trading the 17th and 9th is an overpayment, but trading 2 of 3 thirds I am more comfortable with

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 27

PuzzledActuary

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Modifié 3 juin 2023 à 0 h 34

This is so bad....so bad

PHI isnt gonna do that.

Why are we moving back to get rid of a meaningless contract?

Not enough for Cat.

Just get rid of Veleno? What a stupid take.

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3 juin 2023 à 0 h 29

LivingAnew

Rejoint: mai 2023

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I believe the Hawks decline. That's a hefty 3-yrs of a contract to take on. Plus, the Hawks wouldn't be moving up 16 combined slots for the picks, as their TBL picks are #19 and #51 (not #21 and #53, as you had in your calculation.) Sorry...

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3 juin 2023 à 0 h 32

MoForNorris

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: LivingAnew

Calculations are my fault, replace Lightning pick with Rangers pick to start off with, and could also throw in that 3rd rounder Detroit would get from the Flyers (Rangers pick) might be quantity instead of quality at that point though

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 37

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: MoForNorris

If the Flyers take a D in an offensive heavy draft I will just stop supporting them lol. They need to draft the best player available and at 7 that will be a forward

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 38

#10

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: MoForNorris

Philly has no 2nd round picks in this years or next years, I think trading the 17th and 9th is an overpayment, but trading 2 of 3 thirds I am more comfortable with

9 and 17 is an overpayment but that’s what it will take imo when a player like Benson, Leonard, Smith, Michkov will be available at 7. What will some 2nds or 3rds do? Odds of hitting a star in the 1st round are exponentially higher and the Flyers don’t need more middle 6 guys that they keep finding in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds they need stars that overwhelmingly get drafted in the 1st round

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 40

#11

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: KPM12

There’s just no reason for them to move done 2 spots for two 2nds. Just take the best player at 7 unless someone overpays you like 9th and 17th. If not keep it simple and just draft in ur spot. The 2nds aren’t worth it.

3 juin 2023 à 0 h 55

#12

LivingAnew

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Quoting: MoForNorris

I still the Hawks would probably decline, as the key item would be only moving up two spots in the first round (#19 to #17). The delta between the Rangers and Red Wings 2nd round picks would be larger, of course, and the third could be meaningful as it's a deep draft this year. Just don't know if it's enough to take on that three-year, bad contract. It's making me think, though... Good effort! Cheers

3 juin 2023 à 1 h 3

#13

Frankus_maximus

Rejoint: juin 2022

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Ottawa has too many left shot LD already. They wouldn't want another one. Ottawa will want a bit more than that for the cat anyways.

3 juin 2023 à 1 h 30

#14

Farabee

Rejoint: nov. 2021

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I guess I'm the only Flyers fan who wouldn't mind this trade. I get what the others above are saying about not wanting to trade down unless we get 17 but if we did trade down I would think this is the best offer we get (Unless theres a guy a team reaaaaally likes)

3 juin 2023 à 1 h 32

#15

flyersfan412

Flyers Fan

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Flyers prospect pool lacks high-end talent, so I don't think this is too realistic. Two second rounders would be nice considering we don't even have one, but I'd prefer to keep #7.

3 juin 2023 à 1 h 33

#16

flyersfan412

Flyers Fan

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Quoting: Farabee

I understand where you're coming from because we don't have a second, but I feel like this is a draft you don't trade down in. Flyers prospect pool needs high-end talent.

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3 juin 2023 à 1 h 37

#17

DeadWingsv2

PlusMinus is stupid

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this whole post is nonsense.

3 juin 2023 à 2 h 36

#18

Farabee

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Quoting: flyersfan412

I understand where you're coming from because we don't have a second, but I feel like this is a draft you don't trade down in. Flyers prospect pool needs high-end talent.

Yeah basically just if we would be willing to move down (Maybe the guy we wanted is gone or something) that this would be an acceptable offer. I definitely don't move down in this draft though unless like previously said we get another 1st with it

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3 juin 2023 à 2 h 48

#19

flyersfan412

Flyers Fan

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Quoting: Farabee

Yea I like that thought process. Leanard or Benson seem ideal at 7 (I'm also optimistic about Michkov falling because of his contract situation), but if we can't get one of those guys for whatever reason, I'm open to trading down.

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3 juin 2023 à 7 h 15

#20

Madrigal

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I'm going to be in the middle of the two sides here. 17 and 9 for 7 is way too much. However, the deal as currently constructed isn't quite enough. Not only that the Flyers don't gain picks just equity and they need to gain quantity. It's only two spots but those are a big two spots. A couple of years ago the Coyotes gave the Flyers a 2nd round pick to move up from 14 to 11. Make it 9 and 43 for 7 and I think that's fair for both sides. Otherwise the Flyers decline.

3 juin 2023 à 7 h 36

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IconicHawk

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If we’re moving up two spots and giving up pick 19, then there’s no reason for us to take Chairot

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