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1 juin 2023 à 4 h 20
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Why would Calgary have any interest in Ullmark?
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1 juin 2023 à 13 h 28
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Why would Calgary have any interest in Ullmark?


Markstorm hasn’t been good. Is wolf ready? That might be why.
1 juin 2023 à 13 h 33
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Markstorm hasn’t been good. Is wolf ready? That might be why.


Markstrom is 1 year removed from the Vezina runnerup LMAO.

Wolf has only played in the AHL for 2 years and has won goalie of the year both times. Not to mention the Flames also have Vladar. The absolute last thing Calgary needs is a goalie, especially one making 5M
1 juin 2023 à 13 h 45
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Why would Calgary have any interest in Ullmark?


If you can get the best goalie in the NHL last year, you do it. .938sv% is absolutely crazy, and he was lights out all year. 1 year of Dube is not that outrageous to give up.

If Markstrom is so good then I'm sure we can get assets for him. Otherwise it might just make sense to trade him for someone like Murray(plus futures) who would be a cap dump for a year.
1 juin 2023 à 13 h 56
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If you can get the best goalie in the NHL last year, you do it. .938sv% is absolutely crazy, and he was lights out all year. 1 year of Dube is not that outrageous to give up.

If Markstrom is so good then I'm sure we can get assets for him. Otherwise it might just make sense to trade him for someone like Murray(plus futures) who would be a cap dump for a year.


This is such a Grass is Greener way of looking at things.

Ullmark had a fantastic year, yes. Is he the best goalie in the league? God no, he only has 1 year of success at this level and Boston as a whole played out of their minds this season. Just look at Swayman (0.920sv%), Ullmark was only a little bit better than him this year. Whereas we look at last years winner, Shesterkin (0.935sv%) and compare him to his backup Georgiev (0.898sv%), its a completely night and day difference.

There is a very real chance that Bergeron retires this summer, as well as Boston will likely have to make quite a few roster changes just to be compliant. I would say it's very likely that Ullmark comes back down to earth and is a ~0.920sv% goalie again. On the flip side it is almost equally as likely that Markstrom returns to form and is also a 0.920sv% goalie again.

As for Markstrom's trade value
1. He has a full NMC so he literally can't be moved unless he wants to go
2. Due to last years performance his value is completely shot, teams are very unlikely to pay much at all for him, in fact they would most likely ask for us to pay to dump him
1 juin 2023 à 14 h 7
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
This is such a Grass is Greener way of looking at things.

Ullmark had a fantastic year, yes. Is he the best goalie in the league? God no, he only has 1 year of success at this level and Boston as a whole played out of their minds this season. Just look at Swayman (0.920sv%), Ullmark was only a little bit better than him this year. Whereas we look at last years winner, Shesterkin (0.935sv%) and compare him to his backup Georgiev (0.898sv%), its a completely night and day difference.

There is a very real chance that Bergeron retires this summer, as well as Boston will likely have to make quite a few roster changes just to be compliant. I would say it's very likely that Ullmark comes back down to earth and is a ~0.920sv% goalie again. On the flip side it is almost equally as likely that Markstrom returns to form and is also a 0.920sv% goalie again.

As for Markstrom's trade value
1. He has a full NMC so he literally can't be moved unless he wants to go
2. Due to last years performance his value is completely shot, teams are very unlikely to pay much at all for him, in fact they would most likely ask for us to pay to dump him


On the other hand Ullmark had a sv% higher than .915 over the last 4 seasons with both Boston and Buffalo. That's pretty consistent in my book.

Since 2012 Markstrom has been a .920 goalie exactly once, last season! He has 2 seasons over .915 in that span. Gambling on Markstrom returning to form is a huge gamble, especially without knowing which system we're playing. What's far more likely is him being good in stretches, and average/bad in others. This season he didn't seem any better than Vladar, despite his improved play after his son was born.

The NMC definitely complicates matters. However, I think that Markstrom would entertain trades if he becomes the #2 goalie. Lindholm leaving might also play a part in him moving on.
1 juin 2023 à 14 h 40
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Quoting: Bast
On the other hand Ullmark had a sv% higher than .915 over the last 4 seasons with both Boston and Buffalo. That's pretty consistent in my book.

Since 2012 Markstrom has been a .920 goalie exactly once, last season! He has 2 seasons over .915 in that span. Gambling on Markstrom returning to form is a huge gamble, especially without knowing which system we're playing. What's far more likely is him being good in stretches, and average/bad in others. This season he didn't seem any better than Vladar, despite his improved play after his son was born.

The NMC definitely complicates matters. However, I think that Markstrom would entertain trades if he becomes the #2 goalie. Lindholm leaving might also play a part in him moving on.


Don't get me wrong, I think Ullmark is a solid goalie, however I think you vastly underappreciate Markstrom. I don't think him bouncing back is a big gamble at all, in fact it would be a gamble to bet he doesn't. He's only ever actually been a legitimate NHL starter since 17/18. He played 3 years as the starter in Vancouver where the team was still rebuilding and 1 year in the playoffs. In those 3 years he had a 5v5 SV% of .923%, .921%, and .925%. When you factor in how brutal that team was defensively in that 3 year span it shows even more. To get an idea, here was Vancouvers 17/18 D-core (in order of games played); Del Zotto, Pouliot, Edler, Stecher, Hutton, Gudbranson, Biega, Tanev. In 18/19 it was; Stecher, Hutton, Pouliot, Gudbranson, Edler, Tanev, Biega.

Hypothetically if Lindholm does leave/gets traded then yes i could see Markstrom waiving his NMC. However Lindholm leaving implies the team is going into at least a partial rebuild in which case Ullmark iks still not what the team needs.
As for him waiving otherwise, almost guaranteed not to happen, especially now that he's a father
1 juin 2023 à 15 h 13
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Don't get me wrong, I think Ullmark is a solid goalie, however I think you vastly underappreciate Markstrom. I don't think him bouncing back is a big gamble at all, in fact it would be a gamble to bet he doesn't. He's only ever actually been a legitimate NHL starter since 17/18. He played 3 years as the starter in Vancouver where the team was still rebuilding and 1 year in the playoffs. In those 3 years he had a 5v5 SV% of .923%, .921%, and .925%. When you factor in how brutal that team was defensively in that 3 year span it shows even more. To get an idea, here was Vancouvers 17/18 D-core (in order of games played); Del Zotto, Pouliot, Edler, Stecher, Hutton, Gudbranson, Biega, Tanev. In 18/19 it was; Stecher, Hutton, Pouliot, Gudbranson, Edler, Tanev, Biega.

Hypothetically if Lindholm does leave/gets traded then yes i could see Markstrom waiving his NMC. However Lindholm leaving implies the team is going into at least a partial rebuild in which case Ullmark iks still not what the team needs.
As for him waiving otherwise, almost guaranteed not to happen, especially now that he's a father


So you moved the goalposts by switching to a 5 on 5 sv%, okay. If you look at their career Markstrom is a .909 goalie, Ullmark is a .918 goalie in all situations.

We just have such low expectations as Flames fans when it comes to goalies. We always make excuses for them. After his child was born Markstrom posted the following numbers: 20GP, 19GS, .901sv%, 2.83GAA, 8W,6L, 5OTL. Is that the type of goal-tending you're okay with? Because I'm not.

As for Lindholm, I'm not certain that would mean a rebuild, a lot would depend on the return, Kadri's play at C and so on.
1 juin 2023 à 15 h 51
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So you moved the goalposts by switching to a 5 on 5 sv%, okay. If you look at their career Markstrom is a .909 goalie, Ullmark is a .918 goalie in all situations.

We just have such low expectations as Flames fans when it comes to goalies. We always make excuses for them. After his child was born Markstrom posted the following numbers: 20GP, 19GS, .901sv%, 2.83GAA, 8W,6L, 5OTL. Is that the type of goal-tending you're okay with? Because I'm not.

As for Lindholm, I'm not certain that would mean a rebuild, a lot would depend on the return, Kadri's play at C and so on.


Call it moving the goalposts all you want, but to me it's logical to ignore a goalies PK SV% when their PK is bad. I also think it's important to take into consideration that SV% can be highly effected by shot volume. Calgary for example is excellent at shot suppression so generally most of the shots on net are either tipped, take place on bad line changes, when the players are tired and out too long, etc. It's why SV% is a flawed stat. Eye test said Markstrom played much better after his child was born but the numbers don't really show it. Look at the playoffs, Ullmark got completely out goalied in the first round by a guy who put up a .901 SV% this season.

As for Lindholm, if he is traded Calgary would be stupid to try and rush back into competing, they should do a rebuild similar to LA where they take 2-3 years of drafting high and selling off less "core" players
 
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