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Taking on Myers

Créé par: math731
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 28 mai 2023
Publié: 28 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
MTL
  1. Myers, Tyler
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
11th OA

So, taking on Myers as a cap dump + Barron to move up 26 spots.
VAN
  1. Barron, Justin
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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37th OA
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28 mai 2023 à 17 h 59
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We saw last year that it costs a 1st to dump contracts, why is Montreal adding anything?! (See Monahan)
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We saw last year that it costs a 1st to dump contracts, why is Montreal adding anything?!


Because its the 11th OA in a deep draft.
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 2
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Because its the 11th OA in a deep draft.


Yeah still, if the Canucks are that bad off that they need to dump Meyer then why should we give them value back? If they don't want to move the 11th pick then just take next years 1st with no protection
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 4
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Why tf would we trade Barron for nothing? He could be a 60 point PP1 QB in just a couple years
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28 mai 2023 à 18 h 4
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Quoting: Campabee
We saw last year that it costs a 1st to dump contracts, why is Montreal adding anything?! (See Monahan)


Once Myers's bonus is paid he's only owed 1mil essentially turning him into an LTIR player to a team like Arizona
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28 mai 2023 à 18 h 6
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Yeah still, if the Canucks are that bad off that they need to dump Meyer then why should we give them value back? If they don't want to move the 11th pick then just take next years 1st with no protection


I dont think theyd do that (even assuming they protect the 2024 pick). Adding a much needed RHD like Barron is what would move the needle imo. At 11th, we could then move up and get a guy like Leonard, Reinbacher or Benson. I think its worth it.
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 7
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Why tf would we trade Barron for nothing? He could be a 60 point PP1 QB in just a couple years


Because Hutson and Mailloux will be our PP1 and PP2 QB. The player we would get at 11th would be more useful than Barron longterm imo
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 13
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Hutson has a muffin shot and skating issues which is why scouts don’t think his game will translate. That’s why he got passed on twice by every team. Barron has already proven he can produce points in the nhl assuming Hutson will as well is a mistake. LM has a hard shot but so does everyone in the show idk if he will do much on an NHL PP
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 17
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Quoting: Savage27
Hutson has a muffin shot and skating issues which is why scouts don’t think his game will translate. That’s why he got passed on twice by every team. Barron has already proven he can produce points in the nhl assuming Hutson will as well is a mistake. LM has a hard shot but so does everyone in the show idk if he will do much on an NHL PP


Hutson’s shot is solid and his skating issues wont affect his offensive game lol. Didnt you see how easily he dangled men out of their jackstraps at the WC? Defensively, yeah he always will have rough but with that offense, who cares. We need Leonard or Benson more than another offensive D. Plus we have Matheson who might be elite for the next 3 years. That leaves enough time to figure out the offensive D issue assuming one of Mailloux or Hutson doesnt work out.
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 26
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Once Myers's bonus is paid he's only owed 1mil essentially turning him into an LTIR player to a team like Arizona


It's not about the money owed him, it's about his cap hit. Teams aren't going to line up to take his cap hit for free, they want a 1st to do it
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 33
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Hutson’s shot is solid and his skating issues wont affect his offensive game lol. Didnt you see how easily he dangled men out of their jackstraps at the WC? Defensively, yeah he always will have rough but with that offense, who cares. We need Leonard or Benson more than another offensive D. Plus we have Matheson who might be elite for the next 3 years. That leaves enough time to figure out the offensive D issue assuming one of Mailloux or Hutson doesnt work out.


He also got cooked on D more than a few times, he might be a marc Andre Bergeron if he doesn’t fix his skating. Edge work is great tho
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 55
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Can’t see why the Canucks would be so desperate for 1 year of cap space when they don’t have any notable players to sign this offseason anyway. Already have a bad prospect pool. Not trading the 11th
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28 mai 2023 à 18 h 57
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Why tf would we trade Barron for nothing? He could be a 60 point PP1 QB in just a couple years


Are you kidding me? You are seriously overvaluing him if you think he is going to be a 60 point defenseman. He isn't even producing at that rate in the AHL
28 mai 2023 à 18 h 58
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Yeah still, if the Canucks are that bad off that they need to dump Meyer then why should we give them value back? If they don't want to move the 11th pick then just take next years 1st with no protection


They aren't that bad enough, and certainly are not that desparate for 1 year of cap space. Use some common sense. The Canucks are not a contender, its not like they need cap space for a huge deadline acquisition. They also don't have any top players that need to get paid this offseason. No reason to further worsen our prospect pool as this does not make us better now, or in the future
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I dont think theyd do that (even assuming they protect the 2024 pick). Adding a much needed RHD like Barron is what would move the needle imo. At 11th, we could then move up and get a guy like Leonard, Reinbacher or Benson. I think its worth it.


I'm sure the Canucks rather keep the pick and select Leonard, Reinbacher, or Benson given the sad state of their prospect pool.... Tell me 1 reason why the Canucks would be this desparate to save 1 year of cap space?
28 mai 2023 à 19 h 0
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Quoting: Savage27
Hutson has a muffin shot and skating issues which is why scouts don’t think his game will translate. That’s why he got passed on twice by every team. Barron has already proven he can produce points in the nhl assuming Hutson will as well is a mistake. LM has a hard shot but so does everyone in the show idk if he will do much on an NHL PP


Quinn Hughes has a muffin shot but is one of the best PP QB in the NHL
28 mai 2023 à 19 h 4
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I'm sure the Canucks rather keep the pick and select Leonard, Reinbacher, or Benson given the sad state of their prospect pool.... Tell me 1 reason why the Canucks would be this desparate to save 1 year of cap space?


Theres just tons of reports saying VAN wants to trade some of their bad contracts to get out of their cap hell. Just look at what CGY paid us to take on one year of Monahan… Myers probably is an even bigger liability than Monahan since the later was put on LTIR for most of the year (and was really good when he wasnt). Myers is straight up bad
28 mai 2023 à 19 h 5
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Theres just tons of reports saying VAN wants to trade some of their bad contracts to get out of their cap hell. Just look at what CGY paid us to take on one year of Monahan… Myers probably is an even bigger liability than Monahan since the later was put on LTIR for most of the year (and was really good when he wasnt). Myers is straight up bad


They may be willing to trade some of their longer bad contracts, but there is no reason to be so desparate to trade 1 year of Myers. Calgary was in a completetly different position. Calgary was a legit contender that needed all the cap space they can get to contend. The Canucks are not going to be going on any playoff run this season so there is no point in making the move.
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Quinn Hughes has a muffin shot but is one of the best PP QB in the NHL


And he’s possibly the best skating D man in the whole league aside from makar. That’s What makes him so effective and Hurson is not close to that category, fancy edge work aside
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And he’s possibly the best skating D man in the whole league aside from makar. That’s What makes him so effective and Hurson is not close to that category, fancy edge work aside


Well this is just a ludicrous take saying he is the best skater d man after Makar. How exactly do you measure this? How does this matter? His production is respectable, but not eye popping. He is not a top prospect
28 mai 2023 à 19 h 18
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Quoting: Juiceman
Well this is just a ludicrous take saying he is the best skater d man after Makar. How exactly do you measure this? How does this matter? His production is respectable, but not eye popping. He is not a top prospect



Quinn is in the top tier of skating among all D men, is that not obvious lol. Hutson’s skating is described as bad to below average by any scouting report. You were the one who brought up Quinn what you talking about 😂
28 mai 2023 à 20 h 27
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Dude, if we move Barron then we need to add 2 top young RD.
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Quinn is in the top tier of skating among all D men, is that not obvious lol. Hutson’s skating is described as bad to below average by any scouting report. You were the one who brought up Quinn what you talking about 😂


Just because a player is good at skating, it doesn't make him a great player. There is a lot more than make or break a player than his skating. Hutson has a much higher ceiling than Barron. If Barron ends up as a #4, you should be happy because that is still a top 4 d man
28 mai 2023 à 21 h 54
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They aren't that bad enough, and certainly are not that desparate for 1 year of cap space. Use some common sense. The Canucks are not a contender, its not like they need cap space for a huge deadline acquisition. They also don't have any top players that need to get paid this offseason. No reason to further worsen our prospect pool as this does not make us better now, or in the future


Look, I wasn't saying the Canucks would or should pay to dump contracts. I was only commenting on the thread itself and the OP said we were taking on Meyer as a cap dump. It's not my thread, I only said if the Canucks were that bad off, meaning the had to move contracts then they need to pony up the going rate which is a 1st. The fact remains if Montreal or any team is taking Meyer as a "cap dump" it costs a 1st for FC not a top 4 RHD prospect and a 2nd, we could get so much more value trading Barron and the 2nd for an actual good young player
28 mai 2023 à 22 h 4
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Look, I wasn't saying the Canucks would or should pay to dump contracts. I was only commenting on the thread itself and the OP said we were taking on Meyer as a cap dump. It's not my thread, I only said if the Canucks were that bad off, meaning the had to move contracts then they need to pony up the going rate which is a 1st. The fact remains if Montreal or any team is taking Meyer as a "cap dump" it costs a 1st for FC not a top 4 RHD prospect and a 2nd, we could get so much more value trading Barron and the 2nd for an actual good young player


Seeing as how they player you traded to acquire Barron and a 2nd was Lehkonen, I wouldn't get your hopes up. Seems to me you could get a good middle 6 winger with that
 
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