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Équipe: 2023-24 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2023
Publié: 25 mai 2023
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NJD may be at the stage where they could adding veterans at discounted rates…and in turn, sell off extra pieces for picks. Idea here is to add a bunch of middle round picks in a deep draft.
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 53
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
He is a little untested in that he hasn't played in NHL (been blocked in NJ). But he is a good prospect.

Hockey Prospecting (Byron Bader) has the following as top prospects (ranked on probability of turning into a star).

1. Luke Hughes 90%
2. Brandt Clarke 88%
3. Logan Cooley 85%
4. Simon Nemec 83%
5. Kevin Korchinski 78%

6. Olen Zellweger 78%
7. Reilly Walsh 76% < ----
8. Lane Hutson 74%
9. Shane Wright 62%
10. Lukas Reichel 56%

11. Denton Mateychuk 53%
12. Michael Benning 49%
13. Jordan Dumais 46%
14. Danila Yurov 46%
15. Ryan Ufko 42%

Rasmus Sandin was
Nils Lundkvist was at 34% last year when he was dealt for a 1st rounder.
David Rundblad was at 32% when he was dealt for 1st rounder.
Alex Romanov was in single digits.

Not that this one metric is say-all, be-all, end-all...but only asking for a 3rd here


Wow that is really cool I've never seen this before. How does it actually work?

Walsh is 24, played 1 NHL game and has a 76% chance of being a star? Surely something is off about that no? I liked him as a prospect but seems pretty far fetched he could be a star now.
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25 mai 2023 à 12 h 54
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I'd rather keep Walsh and Boqvist than those returns tbh. I really think giving walsh the 3RD spot for 1 year will skyrocket his value. Edit just saw we're keeping severson in this, then yeah you'd probably trade walsh
25 mai 2023 à 12 h 59
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Quoting: BigShoots
Wow that is really cool I've never seen this before. How does it actually work?

Walsh is 24, played 1 NHL game and has a 76% chance of being a star? Surely something is off about that no? I liked him as a prospect but seems pretty far fetched he could be a star now.


He compares production by age/league to previous players (those that have succeeded and failed) and model produces a probability based on those factors. So as an older prospect, it’s still factored in.

Walsh has played very good 5v5 hockey with some of the better advanced metrics in AHL over last two years (I believe last year there were only 8 even strength goals against with him on the ice). Will it translate? Who knows…time will tell.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 0
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I'd rather keep Walsh and Boqvist than those returns tbh. I really think giving walsh the 3RD spot for 1 year will skyrocket his value. Edit just saw we're keeping severson in this, then yeah you'd probably trade walsh


I think I am with you…was really just coming up with new approaches to poke holes at.

Out best route may be to bring ‘em all back.
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25 mai 2023 à 13 h 13
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He compares production by age/league to previous players (those that have succeeded and failed) and model produces a probability based on those factors. So as an older prospect, it’s still factored in.

Walsh has played very good 5v5 hockey with some of the better advanced metrics in AHL over last two years (I believe last year there were only 8 even strength goals against with him on the ice). Will it translate? Who knows…time will tell.


I wonder if there is a something slightly broken about the system. Have we ever seen a 24 yr old AHL player with no NHL experience become a star. As I say I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him though.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 14
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He wanted to come to NJ.

A qualifying offer amount is not a minimum AAV for long-term AAV.
It does not mean he will get $10m+ on any deal.

His ask was $9m...so he will likely come in somewhere in the 8's


No, a qualifying offer is not the min AAV for a long term. It is however, the min AAV for a 1-year keep him a RFA deal. If they decide not to tender him the qualifying offer then he would become a UFA and be able to sign anywhere. If they both sign it, then at minimum, he would stay in NJ at the qualifying offer rate. They can always work out a different deal but Timo can also bet on himself and just take the 1-year deal.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 21
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No, a qualifying offer is not the min AAV for a long term. It is however, the min AAV for a 1-year keep him a RFA deal. If they decide not to tender him the qualifying offer then he would become a UFA and be able to sign anywhere. If they both sign it, then at minimum, he would stay in NJ at the qualifying offer rate. They can always work out a different deal but Timo can also bet on himself and just take the 1-year deal.


It won’t be 1-year $10m as they can take him to team-elected arb in first window and knock it down. Regardless, he wanted to be here, he wants to extend here. There is nothing that indicates otherwise.
25 mai 2023 à 13 h 32
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I wonder if there is a something slightly broken about the system. Have we ever seen a 24 yr old AHL player with no NHL experience become a star. As I say I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him though.


Sure

Brandon Montour
Devon Toews
Jonas Siegenthaler

Usually guys who were blocked
25 mai 2023 à 14 h 20
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It won’t be 1-year $10m as they can take him to team-elected arb in first window and knock it down. Regardless, he wanted to be here, he wants to extend here. There is nothing that indicates otherwise.


Except for the inconvenient fact that he hasnt...
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25 mai 2023 à 14 h 28
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The offensive production will be similar to Kubalik, the defense similar to Copp. Can play W or C. And is 24 years old.

Kubalik -- Larkin -- Raymond
Sharangovich -- Copp -- Perron
Rasmussen -- Kasper -- Berggren
Fabbri/Mazur -- Veleno -- Zadina


Kubalik is likely a 3rd liner for us already, we wouldn’t pay an early 2nd and 3rd for another third liner
25 mai 2023 à 14 h 34
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Except for the inconvenient fact that he hasnt...


He hasn’t wanted to be here? Where did you hear that? I don’t think that is true…and haven’t seen anyone say that before.
25 mai 2023 à 14 h 36
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Kubalik is likely a 3rd liner for us already, we wouldn’t pay an early 2nd and 3rd for another third liner


Okay…the perhaps

Sharangovich -- Larkin -- Raymond
Fabbri -- Copp -- Perron
Kubalik -- Kasper -- Berggren
Rasmussen -- Veleno -- Zadina
25 mai 2023 à 15 h 45
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Okay…the perhaps

Sharangovich -- Larkin -- Raymond
Fabbri -- Copp -- Perron
Kubalik -- Kasper -- Berggren
Rasmussen -- Veleno -- Zadina


Ras would be in a spot over Yegor. Fabbri isn't a guarantee to ever play again given his knee injuries.

You took the previous comment and pushed Ras down more. I'd put him on the first line over Yegor, but he fits best on line 2 imo

Kubalik - Larkin - Perron (I'd put Ray here, but Lalonde put Perron here a lot last year so I'll assume it stays that way)
Rasmussen - Copp - Raymond
Yegor - Kasper - Berggren
Whoever - Veleno - Zadina

And again. Not opposed to Yegor, but not for that price.
25 mai 2023 à 16 h 1
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Ras would be in a spot over Yegor. Fabbri isn't a guarantee to ever play again given his knee injuries.

You took the previous comment and pushed Ras down more. I'd put him on the first line over Yegor, but he fits best on line 2 imo

Kubalik - Larkin - Perron (I'd put Ray here, but Lalonde put Perron here a lot last year so I'll assume it stays that way)
Rasmussen - Copp - Raymond
Yegor - Kasper - Berggren
Whoever - Veleno - Zadina

And again. Not opposed to Yegor, but not for that price.


Prices can change. May be a ton of forwards on market this year, so they all may come cheaply.

Appears Wings need a 1LW and 2C to fill up that roster. Maybe sign the other Ryan O’Reilly (OGROR) and trade for Cat.
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25 mai 2023 à 16 h 36
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Prices can change. May be a ton of forwards on market this year, so they all may come cheaply.

Appears Wings need a 1LW and 2C to fill up that roster. Maybe sign the other Ryan O’Reilly (OGROR) and trade for Cat.


We definitely need another scorer (whether they're a winger or a center doesn't matter to me), and there seem to be lots of options through trade maybe.

Copp likely stays 2C for next year until Kasper is ready, and maybe he jumps him next year or maybe it takes a little while.

Scoring winger is definitely our most pressing need right now though, yeaj
25 mai 2023 à 16 h 46
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Okay…the perhaps

Sharangovich -- Larkin -- Raymond
Fabbri -- Copp -- Perron
Kubalik -- Kasper -- Berggren
Rasmussen -- Veleno -- Zadina


Rasmussen-Larkin-Raymond
Berggren-Copp-Perron
Sharangovich-Kasper-Kubalik
Fabbri-Veleno-Zadina/Soderblom

would probably be the lines, just don't see the point honestly
25 mai 2023 à 16 h 54
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We definitely need another scorer (whether they're a winger or a center doesn't matter to me), and there seem to be lots of options through trade maybe.

Copp likely stays 2C for next year until Kasper is ready, and maybe he jumps him next year or maybe it takes a little while.

Scoring winger is definitely our most pressing need right now though, yeaj


Grab two scoring options at #9 and #17.
Pick up guy like Duclair or DeBrusk that can be flipped if things go south.

(and always buy wingers last).
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25 mai 2023 à 17 h 0
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Grab two scoring options at #9 and #17.
Pick up guy like Duclair or DeBrusk that can be flipped if things go south.

(and always buy wingers last).


I'm hoping either that or trading up to the 5-7 range if Michkov gets there is the plan. Definitely don't want to see us trade down, and definitely don't want to see us selling a bunch of picks and prospects to get a guy like Cat or Connor unless it's a really reasonable deal
25 mai 2023 à 22 h 56
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Sure

Brandon Montour
Devon Toews
Jonas Siegenthaler

Usually guys who were blocked


Toews is a good shout

The other guys were 21 and 22 in their rookie seasons. And would Seigenthaler be considered a star by any metric? He is a good player but star?
25 mai 2023 à 22 h 57
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Canucks acquired Ethan Bear for cheaper. Walsh is basically a right handed Jack Rathbone. Not worth it for the Canucks
25 mai 2023 à 22 h 58
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He is a little untested in that he hasn't played in NHL (been blocked in NJ). But he is a good prospect.

Hockey Prospecting (Byron Bader) has the following as top prospects (ranked on probability of turning into a star).

1. Luke Hughes 90%
2. Brandt Clarke 88%
3. Logan Cooley 85%
4. Simon Nemec 83%
5. Kevin Korchinski 78%

6. Olen Zellweger 78%
7. Reilly Walsh 76% < ----
8. Lane Hutson 74%
9. Shane Wright 62%
10. Lukas Reichel 56%

11. Denton Mateychuk 53%
12. Michael Benning 49%
13. Jordan Dumais 46%
14. Danila Yurov 46%
15. Ryan Ufko 42%

Rasmus Sandin was
Nils Lundkvist was at 34% last year when he was dealt for a 1st rounder.
David Rundblad was at 32% when he was dealt for 1st rounder.
Alex Romanov was in single digits.

Not that this one metric is say-all, be-all, end-all...but only asking for a 3rd here


He is 24. Not really a prospect. You're comparing him to teenagers and 20 year olds
 
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