Quoting: jets12
thats not even remotely close for helle
Quoting: jgimp69
Zero interest in Smith and would need to be your 23’ 1st rounder.
Just curious. Why is Hellebuyck worth so much?
His goals saved above expected / 60 and WAR by year:
Reg 2022: 0.49 (6th), 5.13 (4th)
Playoff 2022: -0.55 (27th), -0.48 (25th)
Reg 2021: 0.26 (9th), 2.78 (8th)
Reg 2020: 0.45 (3rd), 3.21 (1st)
Playoff 2020: 1.11 (3rd), 1.66 (3rd)
Reg 2019: 0.44 (1st), 4.04 (1st)
Playoff 2019: 0.05 (23rd), 0.04 (24th)
Reg 2018: -0.11 (29th), -1.13 (30th)
Playoff 2018: -0.25 (19th), -0.25 (18th)
Reg 2017: 0.16 (11th), 1.77 (11th)
Playoff 2017: 0.22 (12th), 0.59 (5th)
Reg 2016: -0.15 (34th), -1.28 (35th)
So he appears to be a top 10 goalie for the last 4 years in the regular season and an average Playoff goalie in the same time-frame (though with a smaller sample size).
He is also a rental with no guarantee to resign with the trading team...
For a good comparison, we can look at Ben Bishop.
He was a top ten goalie for years with one year left on his contract when he was traded in 2017. The trade was Bishop and a 5th for Peter Budaji, Erik Cernak (a high 2nd round pick), and a 7th.
A comparison in these terms would be: Casey DeSmith, Owen Pickering, and a 7th. OP has offered about that trade above, removing Pickering but adding a mid to low 1st and a 3rd for a 4th in return.
So why should Hellebuyck be worth more?