We don’t need to see eye to eye. I’m good with it 👍🏼 we disagree. Take care

Ok well at least have something to back up your opinion or just keep it yourself. I've actually gone to great length to lay out my reasoning and you've just kinda been all snarky and not backed up a single thing you claimed nor addressed any of the points ive made.

It would be pointless to do so. You’re on your own page and won’t listen. So since your plan is the right way and the Org won’t do it, you’ll never see a cup or playoff run.. that’s that. You’re right 👍🏼

I've literally invited you to make your point like 4 times now. And you've just made this wild assumption that that can be no reasoning with me. Again if you have anything to say of substance I'd be happy to engage. So don't use that as an excuse to be utterly devoid of reason any more. If you have something say it.

And yeah mostly every analyst and hockey mind in this market would agree we've been blowing it for yrs. That's why Im so shocked you are trying to say keep doing it. On what grounds?

Again, I don’t need to talk you out of this. You’re right, they won’t ever be playoff relevant unless they do your plan. I’m content leaving it at that, no need to engage. I’ve made very important comments that just go unheard… like how JTM will never be replaced in the next 5 years but you don’t find it relevant so that’s fine.

Ok there you go. JTM will not be replaced in the next 5 yrs. Thats good. That's a real concern. Would you have said that a yr ago about Horvat? Would you want Horvat on an 8 yr deal? I think the Canucks dodged huge bullet on that one and we turned it into three assets. You could do that same with Miller. Get picks and prospects for him. With cap space you put yourself in a position to capitalize on teams that need to shed top talent for cap space, all of sudden you can sign top UFAs. 2024 UFAs included Matthews, Aho, Reinhart, Nylander, Scheifele, Lindholm, Stephenson. Most probably won't make it to UFA but that is a pretty long list of guys who are in Miller's category or better.

The real question is what are we giving up by trading Miller? I would suggest he'll likely be good point producer for another couple seasons at least and then he'll start to fall off. Are the Canucks going to be competitive in that window? If all goes well we might be bottom 4 ranked playoff team. Certainly not cup contending. And then you have Miller at 35, 36, 37 and you're paying him 8 mil. That is the part that scares me the most. And those are the yrs the Petey and Hughes will actually have a say in whether they want to stay or move on.

So yes replacing MIller short term won't be easy, but the cost of keeping him long term is too much of a risk. And the reward of keeping him short term isn't high enough to justify that risk.

Players don’t die at 30. Some have their best years at 35. JTM is fine for the next 5 and so would Bo. If you have to move either of them later on it’s not an issue. There’s always a landing spot. But having them at their prime is worth something which is why NYR offered Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st for JTM and NYI offer what they did for Bo. Some change is good but you have to keep 1/2 of those guys. Unless you’re looking for full rebuild which takes years typically. So back to the 4 year term you will have wasted 1/2 of these contracts with QH and EP. I’m sure you could ask them if they are good with missing playoffs the next 4 years and they would say no. So if the org isn’t trying to get them there then they will be disgruntled. They may demand a trade(not uncommon these days). Your plan will keep them out of playoffs for 4 years guaranteed, the current mode is at least putting in a huge effort to get there while accruing futures.

Statistically they do kinda die after 30. Or more accurately 33+. Unless they are a really special player who keeps themselves in great shape, players tend to fall off pretty hard around that time. Miller certainly doesn't seem like the profile that will age well given his iffy attitude. Look at guys like Toews, Kane, Seguin, Staal, Voracek, OReilly the list goes on. It's not even really debatable. The data shows us players peak in their mid to late 20s. There are some exceptions but you definitely don't want to bet on it. I would suggest Miller would be a particularly bad one to bet on as well.

Teams definitely do not trade for overpaid players. You act like it would be so easy to trade them down the road. It's near impossible to move bad contracts unless you want to attach them to 1st round picks.

How good would that JT for Chytl, Lundqvist and 1st look now. Chytl is almost 2c already and Lundqvist got moved for a 1st. I would suggest no team in the league is trading for Horvat with that contract. I think he'll put up like 50 points next season and it'll be one of the worst contracts in the sport. And that's yr one. Just imagine yr 6,7,8. If they are however the only way it makes sense is if a team has a 3 or 4 yr window to try and win and then just deal with the pain of it later.

There were 8 players 35 or older in the top 100 scoring this yr and 6 of them are first balot HOFers. Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Kopitar, Bergeron, Pavelski, Burns, Zuccarello. Is Miller in this type of company? Even guys 33 and over it's only a 4-5 more guys. I don't think you realize how much players fall off in their 30s. I do expect JT to be decent the next 2-3 yrs but I don't after that. Even this yr there were massive concerns about his game and it was only a late season point surge that has quieted those concerns.

It comes down to do you want to likely miss the playoffs the next 2-3 yrs and then be in a good position with cupboards stocked with young talent and cap space going forward or do you want to maybe make the playoffs and likely exit 1st round and then have no prospects and very little cap space? The short term approach is what has the Canucks in the position theyre in, despite having a number of franchise pieces.

For example lets say they made that Chytl trade and signed Dylan Strome would they have had a worse chance at the playoffs than with Miller and Nils Aman or whoever played 3c this yr. It's not a 4 yrs thing its 2 or 3. And you're moving in the right direction after one, rather than slipping away every yr and remortgaging the future each yr.