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Créé par: MoForNorris

Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 2 mars 2023

Publié: 2 mars 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Don't think many people know the direction this team is going in, with how the east playoffs are going to be then I think building for a year or two more is the way they're going. Yzerman has said if he trades for someone then they would want them to be younger and long term assets. That being said Edvinsson won't be called up for any more than 9 games this season, defense core needs editing, same for forward core, and Chiarot could also be moved out this offseason with a sweetener. So here is some stuff what I think that Detroit could look at, and what the roster could look like.

Transactions

DET

Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TBL)

Détails additionnels:

Most likely Talbot gets traded away to a new team, they could use Ned the Senators for the next couple seasons. He's 27 and needs a new destination, this is where I think it is. Won't be like what they sent for him. Depends on really how much Yzerman could sell him to the Sens. Late 4th and late 7th, could be a 5th instead of a 4th.

OTT

Nedeljkovic, Alex

Détails additionnels:

Not much needed to be said here, Wings mistreated Ned in my opinion. They also seem to like Helberg unfortunately, so no spot for him in NHL. Expiring UFA and will likely leave, get what you can get.

DET

Fabbro, Dante
Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (TBL)

Détails additionnels:

From the Predators point, having just added Cal Foote, they could be favoring him over Fabbro. They would also receive a decent young bottom pairing defensemen in Gustav Lindstrom. They also get a second back, could be more.

NSH

Lindström, Gustav
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)

Détails additionnels:

Wings traded Hronek and need a replacement for him. Fabbro could be that guy for Detroit that could fit well. Unfortunately you lose a bottom pairing guy that's 24. Believe this trade helps both sides.

DET

Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

Détails additionnels:

Return is a spare second of the Hurricanes and their 4th this year. Wings traded their 4th this year and could look to get one in this draft.

CAR

Vrána, Jakub (2 625 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

This would be the last spot for the Wings to retain salary, and similar to the Ned case with mistreating him. Elliot Freedman also stated that him coming up is "100% a showcase" which probably was. Retaining salary is the move that adds a fourth, don't think the Hurricanes would be willing to trade their first. Other teams like Toronto and Edmonton could be in on him.

DET

Yamamoto, Kailer
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
Choix de 6e ronde en 2024 (NSH)

Détails additionnels:

Either Yamamoto or Foegle will leave in this trade, leaning towards Yamamoto here. Looking to trade second round pick and could be option for Detroit, don't think they're going to be willing to trade their firsts in 2024 or 2025. Could see prospect coming in too.

EDM

Détails additionnels:

Could be a separate trade, the Wings aren't going to push for playoffs with Perron here and Zadina needs a change of scenery. Ken Holland has an interest that's known of for Zadina, Perron I think Oilers fans would like and could legit be interested in.

DET

Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (FLA)

Détails additionnels:

Not big return and could be useful for someone that can come into the lineup and play well on a bottom pairing.

FLA

Hägg, Robert

Détails additionnels:

Nothing special here, see him leaving in spot for someone else.

DET

Holl, Justin
Choix de 5e ronde en 2025 (CHI)

Détails additionnels:

NTC but I think he'll be the odd man out in Toronto and useful to the Wings bottom pairing. The Leafs have no leverage though because they have to move a defensemen.

TOR

Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

Détails additionnels:

Any team I would say has the leverage in a trade with Toronto like this. But still Leafs could move him in another deal elsewhere but I think could be good for the bottom pairing on the right side.

Rachats de contrats

Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
Frans Nielsen: 500 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
Tyler Bertuzzi: 2 375 000 $ (50%)
Jakub Vrána: 2 625 000 $ (100%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	64 753 889 $	0 $	3 857 500 $	17 746 111 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Berggren, Jonatan 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 2	Larkin, Dylan 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NTC UFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG UFA - 3	Copp, Andrew 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C, AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 5	Raymond, Lucas 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) AD, AG RFA - 2
Söderblom, Elmer 878 333 $878 333 $ (82 500 $$82K) AG, C RFA - 3	Suter, Pius 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Kubalik, Dominik 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Erne, Adam 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Veleno, Joseph 894 167 $894 167 $ (425 000 $$425K) C RFA - 1	Yamamoto, Kailer 3 100 000 $3 100 000 $ AD RFA - 2
	Czarnik, Austin 762 500 $762 500 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Sundqvist, Oskar 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1
		Luff, Matt 750 000 $750 000 $ AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Walman, Jake 1 050 000 $1 050 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 2	Husso, Ville 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Chiarot, Ben 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Fabbro, Dante 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Hellberg, Magnus 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Määttä, Olli 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Holl, Justin 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
Oesterle, Jordan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Pysyk, Mark 850 000 $850 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Rasmussen, Michael 1 460 000 $1 460 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Berggren, J.		Larkin, D.		Raymond, L.
	Fabbri, R.		Seider, M.

Avantage numérique 2
Söderblom, E.		Copp, A.		Kubalik, D.
	Walman, J.		Yamamoto, K.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Larkin, D.	Suter, P.
	Walman, J.	Seider, M.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Fabbri, R.	Copp, A.
	Määttä, O.	Holl, J.

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 47

MorHitzSeider

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Perron won't be traded until next year's trade deadline.

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 48

M0LSON

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ottawa had a chance to claim him off waivers and didnt so i dont see them making this deal ..possibly sign him off season?

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 49

RC_82

RC82

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If Engvall gives the leafs a 3rd, a RHD in Holl in this league returns you at min a 5th

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 51

Ennis

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Trading Hronek never made sense to me. Maybe he figured this was a career year that wouldn't be replicated? I don't know, makes no sense to me, unless the picks he got are flipped fora RHD.

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 53

Jfstompers

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I think it's pretty obvious the direction we're going. He signed Larkin quickly after slow playing it all season then has started to dismantle everything he had to put the rebuild down the road. You don't trade pieces like Hronek if you're looking to compete now. We're going to see him move everything not nailed down now and it's back to signing vets to two year deals to plug holes as we use all those picks. We punted on a great draft class to try to compete and now we're gonna pay for it.

2 mars 2023 à 14 h 56

kster34

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Your logic escapes me; the Leafs are cap compliant carrying 9 dmen. So no way Leafs pay to move a dman - they can just send any of them to the minors & risk waiver wire rather than spending an asset. SMH

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 2

MoForNorris

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Quoting: Jfstompers

Would love to see Detroit get another 1st rounder this year but don't see anyone getting one for them unless it's a packaged deal with another player that gets it to be a first. This years draft class is a big W

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 6

MoForNorris

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Quoting: EvanderKanesLawyer

Trading Hronek never made sense to me. Maybe he figured this was a career year that wouldn't be replicated? I don't know, makes no sense to me, unless the picks he got are flipped fora RHD.

Would of thought We'd maybe be in on Chycrun, obviously not the case. Thinking the return from the Canucks who are rebuilding was a rather good one and hard to pass on. But see a spare second or two being moved for a new RD. Edvinsson think would be their partner next season too.

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2 mars 2023 à 15 h 21

MoForNorris

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Quoting: RC_82

If Engvall gives the leafs a 3rd, a RHD in Holl in this league returns you at min a 5th

still don't understand how the leafs got a third for him, honestly bad management from the isles there

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 22

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MoForNorris

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Quoting: M0LSON

ottawa had a chance to claim him off waivers and didnt so i dont see them making this deal ..possibly sign him off season?

I see him being a senator, not sure when but wings will want something for him. I'm just not sure what it'll be

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 24

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MoForNorris

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Quoting: MorHitzSeider

Perron won't be traded until next year's trade deadline.

We agree he'll be traded within a years frame at least, first time for anything. But I think teams will be interested this season since he has a year left after this

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 25

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MoForNorris

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Quoting: kster34

Cap space and activating Murray is why I'm thinking it since it gives them more breathing room especially if someone doesn't get claimed and face a buried penalty

2 mars 2023 à 15 h 28

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Claesson4Norris

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Ottawa isn't trading Talbot this year. And idk why they'd want Nedeljkovic

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2 mars 2023 à 15 h 29

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RC_82

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Quoting: MoForNorris

Cap space and activating Murray is why I'm thinking it since it gives them more breathing room especially if someone doesn't get claimed and face a buried penalty

As of right now, Leafs are cap compliant activating Murray and can sign Knies. If anything, Holl is being included in a cap dump for a top 6 forward retained. Who that is? no idea.

idk why you think they don't have leverage

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2 mars 2023 à 15 h 44

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Jwilliams2k12

Go Preds

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Preds take this deal.

2 mars 2023 à 16 h 9

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Jfstompers

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Quoting: MoForNorris

This year's draft is a big win if you pick 4th or 11th the top of the draft even to like 15 is great, if your picking mid to late 20s it's the same as every other draft.

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