Not enough for Philly imo.

i was thinking the same thing

Also doesn’t make sense for the isles - can’t be giving up a 2023 1st for a 2nd liner with 2 years left

Konecny is a first line player

No he’s not, he’s a very good 2nd liner. The previous two seasons he was on pace for less than 20 goals, 50 pts.

A good start to this season doesnt all of a sudden make him first line caliber. Sample size matters

yeah i agree sample size matters. philly was a trainwreck last year, no one could score. sure if were looking at his body of work then you could say hes a very good 2nd liner, but theres more to it than that. He has had 1 really good season and this year hes playing great but that will likely taper off because hes carrying such a load for philly offensively. I dont think he's had his breakout season yet. I think he's a first liner. He hasnt really had amazing chemistry with anyone yet. If he was paired with a guy like Barzal and all goes well, he could definitely get beyond the 90 point mark IMO. he has the ceiling, it just hasn't come together great for him yet

Forwards usually peak at 24,25 YO and Konecny turns 26 in a few months. It’s very risky to trade a 1st for a guy who isn’t a legitimate 1st liner

if he hasn’t elevated by this point the chances of him becoming a 90 point player are slim to none. brad marchand is really the only guy i can think of off the top of my head that’s had a similar late career evolution. no disrespect to konecny who’s clearly a valuable player and a guy i’d like to have but the probability of him becoming a PPG player or superstar is very very low at this point

yeah we’ve been down this road before with palmieri. can’t keep trading firsts, especially when they might be lottery picks, for guys who aren’t stars.

thats understandable, but i dont think he's reached his peak yet. I think him and Barz would make a great pair. On the isles, he's definitely a first line player. I dont think its that risky seeing as how the Lam has shown that he thinks this is their window. Worst case scenario he puts up 50 points a year and is paid no more than a lot of other dead weight on the isles roster,, and his deal is up in 2025. Still has some trade capital because of his age if this were to fail miserably. I think its a good fit. Sure he doesnt have the work history to make anyones eyes light up, but he definitely has the talent and skill that I think would compliment Barzal nicely.

I don’t disagree, but would u trade the 2023 first if they were moving Bailey over Beau tho?

Palmieri’s a good comparable and he even had a better track record than konecny

No, the isles can’t keep moving 1st rd picks for non elite players. The isles are no where close to good enough

thats a good point, but Palmieri was acquired at an older age and he isn't as talented as Konecny is, although he had proven hes a more consistent scorer in his career up until the point he was traded. I get it. it is risky, especially with the draft this year.

I would rather have Wahlstrom with barzal over konecny - the scenario you described is how teams end up in a never ending cycle of mediocrity. There is no upside for the isles in this deal, konecny doesn’t put the isles over the top and they have to pay a 1st in an extremely deep draft to do it

Palmieri and konecny have very similar skill sets, palmieri was older but the point remains

Heard. I think Konecny is more talented, even tho they do have a comparable play style. Konecny is a better skater and puck handler, better player at high speed.

Right now for sure, palmieri was great in transition a few years ago

yeah it’s not a perfect comp for sure. i wouldn’t make a move like this until the offseason unless they go on a great run that has them firmly in the playoff picture by the deadline. just too risky to be potentially dealing a lottery pick, better to wait until they know what they have imo

Philly declines