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Horvat to Carolina

Créé par: Canuckfan98
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 16 déc. 2022
Publié: 16 déc. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Trade like this makes sense to me since the canucks should be getting future pieces whilst the canes are trying to win the cup and Horvat is a playoff performer, I know morrow is a tough ask but unloading jesperi kotkaniemis contract with no retention and receiving Bo Horvat in return to me seems like a hockey deal both sides get what they want.
Transactions
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VAN
  1. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  2. Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
CAR
  1. Horvat, Bo (2 750 000 $ retained)
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VAN
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
  2. Choix de 7e ronde en 2023 (ANA)
TBL
  1. Schenn, Luke (425 000 $ retained)
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VAN
  1. Drouin, Jonathan
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 31
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Doesn't change forum policy, I was just referring to that, wasn't giving any other verbal restrictions


Report me if you want. I have said nothing wrong.
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16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 36
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No they aren't


How many games have you seen Perbix play I'm going to guess zero. Completely clueless
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 47
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Quoting: Dan_the_Man
How many games have you seen Perbix play I'm going to guess zero. Completely clueless


He plays less minutes on average than Schenn. That's pretty telling
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 50
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
He plays less minutes on average than Schenn. That's pretty telling


He's not worth a 6 to TB maybe ZITO or **** I mean Dubas does this TB has ZERO I REPEAT ZERO INTEREST
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 51
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He's not worth a 6 to TB maybe ZITO or **** I mean Dubas does this TB has ZERO I REPEAT ZERO INTEREST


Okay, I get it, you're a troll
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 54
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Report me if you want. I have said nothing wrong.


I wasn't threatening you
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 57
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I wasn't threatening you


This is what you said....."Why are you opening your mouth? Your a Rangers fan". Sounds confrontational to me, even with the misspelling.
16 déc. 2022 à 21 h 59
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This is what you said....."Why are you opening your mouth? Your a Rangers fan". Sounds confrontational to me, even with the misspelling.


Because third party fans don't normally make such an emotional comment on a trade that involves two other teams
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 2
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Because third party fans don't normally make such an emotional comment on a trade that involves two other teams


Are you kidding? I see it everyday, and many times Canuck fans on trades with the Rangers and another team (not the Canucks).
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 3
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Are you kidding? I see it everyday, and many times Canuck fans on trades with the Rangers and another team (not the Canucks).


They don't get as emotionally shook as you do
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 3
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They don't get as emotionally shook as you do


LOL. Ok, whatever you say. Have a nice night.
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 4
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LOL. Ok, whatever you say. Have a nice night.


You too, and I stand by what I said
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 5
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You too, and I stand by what I said


Good for you.
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 16
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I think TB does this, but what about a bigger trade for Schenn and Kuzmenko. What would that look like in your opinion(provided that Kuzmenko was available)?
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 23
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I think TB does this, but what about a bigger trade for Schenn and Kuzmenko. What would that look like in your opinion(provided that Kuzmenko was available)?


Kuzmenko would cost a 2nd and a 3rd minimum. He's a high impact winger on a dirt cheap contract, even as a rental, that holds legitimate value
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 31
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Kuzmenko would cost a 2nd and a 3rd minimum. He's a high impact winger on a dirt cheap contract, even as a rental, that holds legitimate value


Oh I agree, I created another thread where I proposed Tampa's '25 1st, a 3rd in '24 maybe, Foote and a solid prospect(who could be negotiated), for Kuzmenko and Schenn. It's probably a little steep on Tampa's end, but if a bidding war takes place, who knows.
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16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 38
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Kuzmenko would cost a 2nd and a 3rd minimum. He's a high impact winger on a dirt cheap contract, even as a rental, that holds legitimate value


I also think Tampa only pays a high price for Kuzmenko if they believe they can re-sign him. I think they'd still be interested if just a rental, but what they would be willing to part with would be less imo.
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 45
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I also think Tampa only pays a high price for Kuzmenko if they believe they can re-sign him. I think they'd still be interested if just a rental, but what they would be willing to part with would be less imo.


At least I'm not asking for a 1st. They couldn't re-sign Rutta or Palat, what are the chances they can re-sign Kuzmenko? Alex Killorn is probably gone after this season, don't really see a way to hold onto him beyond this season
16 déc. 2022 à 22 h 56
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At least I'm not asking for a 1st. They couldn't re-sign Rutta or Palat, what are the chances they can re-sign Kuzmenko? Alex Killorn is probably gone after this season, don't really see a way to hold onto him beyond this season


They could've held on to Rutta but didn't want to commit to the extra years. It was between Palat and Killorn, but Killorn still had one year left. I agree that the odds of Kuz re-signing would be slim, since I'm sure they'll try and keep Killorn(doubtful). Maybe something ljke '24 2nd, '23 3rd, 7th+Foote for Kuzmenko and Schenn(retained). Tampa would.either have to send some $ back or make another trade to make the cap work.
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16 déc. 2022 à 23 h 33
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He plays less minutes on average than Schenn. That's pretty telling

No if you actually did some research and realized the game he got injured in and played 1 shift screws atoi numbers but tell yourself whatever you need to think you know everything.
And TBs right side plays less in general they don't use a RD on the PP so that's between 6-10 mpg TB has no RD that leaves less time to eat up
16 déc. 2022 à 23 h 35
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Are you kidding? I see it everyday, and many times Canuck fans on trades with the Rangers and another team (not the Canucks).


Dude this guy's a bufoon
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16 déc. 2022 à 23 h 47
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Dude this guy's a bufoon


You hit the nail on the head.
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16 déc. 2022 à 23 h 50
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You hit the nail on the head.


Actually I'm wrong I'm being wayy to harsh on Bufoons
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17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 15
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KK’s contract would be the reason


What exactly is it that’s wrong about KK’s contact? He will be a 3C for under 5m. You could make the argument that Horvat is in line for an equally bad next contract considering he’s scoring goals at a career high pace he likely won’t continue or duplicate. Canes aren’t trading for a rental so Horvat needs an extension.

Horvat as a 2C at 8m until he’s in his mid 30s should be perceived as bad if you’re considering KK’ s as bad (4.82m until he’s 30). Then consider you’re giving up two premium assets on top?
17 déc. 2022 à 1 h 25
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What exactly is it that’s wrong about KK’s contact? He will be a 3C for under 5m. You could make the argument that Horvat is in line for an equally bad next contract considering he’s scoring goals at a career high pace he likely won’t continue or duplicate. Canes aren’t trading for a rental so Horvat needs an extension.

Horvat as a 2C at 8m until he’s in his mid 30s should be perceived as bad if you’re considering KK’ s as bad (4.82m until he’s 30). Then consider you’re giving up two premium assets on top?


I just feel like you could get a better 3C at that price, and someone at that salary you’d like to produce better offensively than he has. Obviously he’s young enough to progress into a better offensive player, but not sure if I’d wanna take that risk
 
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