Why would Connor Sheary be worth a 2nd? He's a dime a dozen. Depth forward, doesn't play a particularly playoff style of game, not great defense metrics, etc. Could probably get him for a 4th.

I agree

He plays solid on the pk and is just a bulldog around the ice. Also on pace for 28 goals. Also is retaining. He plays all around the line up for us. He is worth a second

Connor Sheary statistically is the worst member of the Caps PK this season. Probably because he didn't play on the PK at all last season (28 minutes across 71 games) or the season before (2 minutes across 53 games). He's only there because the Caps team is so beat up. He's a bulldog around the ice but only has 13 hits in 21 games, had 45 hits in 71 games last season and 24 in 53 the season before that. Basically you are just making **** up on why he would have value. The facts remain, he's an easily replaceable depth forward that doesn't really play a role at all. There will be a dozen Sheary's available on the market. That is why he isn't worth a 2nd.

You want to point to the 20 games he's played this season and say 'look, he's amazing, he has value!' meanwhile everyone else is going to point to the rest of his career and ask 'if this is what he is, why hasn't he been that for those other 7 seasons' and its a question that has no answer which is why this season won't carry as much value as you want it to.

I get using logic but with the state the Market is in rn, It’s hard to gauge any trades until there is a Tone Setter

Jarnkrok before Flames traded for him
48.15cf% 47.43ff% 45.66xgf% 26p 49gp 43p/82gp pace
Sheary
48.36cf% 48.59ff% 47.92xgf% 10p in 20gp 41p/82gp pace

Jarnkrok AGIAN GOT 2nd 3rd 7th for a DEPTH PLAYER for can put up respectable numbers. Jarnkrok also only has 19p in 75playoffe games so yeah. Good call lol

I just posted this. Capital letters arent meant for you

“ Jarnkrok before Flames traded for him
48.15cf% 47.43ff% 45.66xgf% 26p 49gp 43p/82gp pace
Sheary
48.36cf% 48.59ff% 47.92xgf% 10p in 20gp 41p/82gp pace

Jarnkrok AGIAN GOT 2nd 3rd 7th for a DEPTH PLAYER for can put up respectable numbers.”

Jarnkrok is a role player though. He had a past of good defensive numbers, lots of PK time, etc. He is a player that Nashville didn't mind leaving out against other teams top lines. More than that, Jarnkrok was a player who can flex to either wing and play center. A tool to fill any hole. Sheary doesn't have any of that. He's just another depth player. They aren't comparable players. A players trade value stems from more than just 1 season, especially among depth players.

Yes I understand that but the state of the trade Market right now is atrocious I see him getting a 3rd at most because that is the usual Depth Forward cost just look at Domi,Appleton,Vatrano 3rd & 4th Rounders were the median. Just cause one GM overpaid it doesn’t mean another will. Plus the Market needs to normalize before any trades happen. Sheary isn’t the guy i’d want for our Bottom 6 that’s just my preference i much rather get a guy like Hathaway but i’d even more prefer a Package with Hathaway & Jensen 2024 1st + 2023 3rd + Goglev & Miettinen

Sheary is a great depth player that can play in any line and produce. If you are ignorant to the player just say that but stop giving blanket statements like “X is a role player” “X is a depth player” depth players > role players in many situations. You are like $5 is more than $5 bc I said so. Just non sense. I just showed you that sheary is actually a better defensive player w the better xgf% but you ignored it bc it missed your nArRiTiVe

I would 100% do that trade you suggested. Imo sheary + his cup history and his low cap hit puts him into the discussion for a 2nd if not more.

So you managed to miss the point entirely. Depth players are not worth more than role players in any fashion. The valuable depth players are the ones who fill roles...like PKers. Sheary isn't a PKer. You gave me stats from 1 season rather than career and given the way you have tried to skew them, what do you want to bet they are all situations rather than even strength when trying to compare a player who has seen heavy PK usage with one who didn't. That is why I ignored them. You know...skewing numbers to fit your 'narritive'.

Literally the numbers in the season before they got traded? Lol yeah.

Depth player = Sheary.
Role player = Hathaway.
Depth player = Rodrigues
Role player = Megna
Depth = Debrusk
Role player = Greer

Jarnkrok imo would be more depth than role but again you are literally splitting hairs to try to justify a terrible take on Sheary.

So you did skew the numbers by showing only 1 season rather than the history I was talking about. Thank you for admitting it. Now did you use all situations like I believe you did when comparing a player who saw PK usage with one who didn't?




This is the player Calgary was trading for. One with great defensive results despite facing tougher competition with weaker teammates. That is what Jarnkrok was seen as even if it's not what he turned out to be. That is why he was valuable. Sheary is seen as a bottom 6 winger with questionable defensive contribution, who can finish. That isn't unique on the market and is easily replaceable. This is why Sheary isn't a comparable for Jarnkrok. This is why he's not valuable like Jarnkrok was.

LMFAO “ The valuable depth players are the ones who fill roles...like PKers. Sheary isn't a PKer.” MF is a 22% pk guy 10% pp guy. He’s literally average across the bored besides having good defensive numbers. 72% isn’t hard competition either guy that’s a 2line ice time vs bottom 6 guys. He’s never been on Vs top 6 guys based off this graphic. His offense is terrible also. This graph hurts your case more than it helped. The claim is this guy was some sort of pk specialist but he’s just a guy who suppressed offense in order to play defense. Like worse ZAR.

Are you really going to try and argue Sheary is a PK guy when this is the first season he's seeing any sort of PK usage? The only reason Sheary is seeing PK usage is because the Caps are so beat up by injuries. Again, trying to skew the facts to fit your 'nArRiTiVe'. On any sort of playoff team, Sheary isn't being used on the penalty kill.

As I said to the other guy, your entire argument is 'Sheary has been good for 20 games doing this stuff so this is what he is' while every other team is going to look at you and ask, 'If this is what he is, why hasn't he been it the rest of his career?'. It's a question with no good answer and that's why he won't carry the value you want.

BUDDY THE GUY YOU CLAIMED WAS A PK SPECIALIST IS RUNNING AT 22%. That’s terrible. Filling a role hardly matters of you do it terrible. He’s basically Hagelin. A guy that kills offense to play defense. Show sheary card now. By the way being a PK guy was your nArRiTiVe lol

If you are going to try and use stats, at least try to use them correctly. No 1 stat shows the picture you want it to. You need to give it context and history. Something you've failed to do repeatedly now in your efforts to skew them for your 'nArRiTiVe'. I'm going to assume you are using Seattle's numbers with Jarnkrok since you give no context at all when trying to use them. Seattle had one of the worst PKs in the league that season. Jarnkrok's shots against were 22% better than the team average while he was on that PK. He allowed both less expected and actual goals than the average as well. The only conclusion is that he was a productive member in a bad PK/system. When we look back to the previous 3 seasons in Nashville under a more sound defensive system. Jarnkrok was a positive in all those numbers there too. Things like this are why context matters and why you can't argue 'this is what Sheary is!' after 20 games of it except to try and fit a narrative.

Lmfao I need to read them correctly? REALLY?!?! Okay. I’m not going to waste anymore time but please tell me one last time… if you box is red does that mean good? Since they even color coordinated it for simple folk. What color is his PK box? If he is a role player it’s bc he’s good 5v5 defensively. Nothing else. He literally adds little to nothing beyond that. That guy got a 2nd 3rd and 7th. You said maybe sheary gets a 4th lol have a good day. Maybe read charts before making terrible claims

Again, you seem to entirely miss the point. You can't call everyone on a PK bad just because the PK is bad. You can't call everyone on a PP bad just because a PP is bad. If you tried to do this, you wouldn't have a single good PP or PK player left in the league. You need to add context. Hockey is a team game, a single player doesn't make or break a PP or PK. You won't find a single player on the league's 2nd worst PK who doesn't have a red box. That doesn't mean every player on that PK was bad. The fact you don't seem to understand that just shows how pointless it is to try and talk to you. You completely misunderstand what stats are trying to tell you. You are the kind of guy who would spend $15 mil on a player because he had 1 good season and not bother to look at if that is sustainable at all.