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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 1 août 2022
Publié: 1 août 2022
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2 août 2022 à 11 h 25
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Quoting: swinny
You are the one that brought up Suzuki, Caufield and Slafs.

Not shifting the conversation at all. In what world does potential not matter in a deal when dealing with prospects? How teams in the 21st century NHL are built, or are you busy living in the 1990s?

Everyone here is telling you in certain terms your valuation of Dubois is off base, so now we are getting a brand of revisionist history.

As a Jets GM you can move me Perfetti for Kerfoot because Kerfoot is the better player right now.

The Leafs fan just dropped his mic.


Lol. Good golly, you're hard to have a conversation with when you can't back up what you say. You're the one that brought up slafkovsky, Caufield and Suzuki, not me. You're really grasping at straws.

Yes, you did shift the goal posts. You said the Montreal players are better NOW than Dubois, but we're not able you back up that statement, so you shifted the argument to "if Winnipeg asks for them Montreal says no". Where is your evidence for those players being better now?

Montreal fans are saying the valuation is off base, every reasonable unbiased fan agrees it would be a minimum of a 1st, good prospect and possibly another piece if Dubois is moved now.

You screwed up, you made a stupid statement, were called on it and couldn't back it up.

Just take the L And move on.
2 août 2022 à 12 h 51
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Quoting: Windjammer
Lol. Good golly, you're hard to have a conversation with when you can't back up what you say. You're the one that brought up slafkovsky, Caufield and Suzuki, not me. You're really grasping at straws.

Yes, you did shift the goal posts. You said the Montreal players are better NOW than Dubois, but we're not able you back up that statement, so you shifted the argument to "if Winnipeg asks for them Montreal says no". Where is your evidence for those players being better now?

Montreal fans are saying the valuation is off base, every reasonable unbiased fan agrees it would be a minimum of a 1st, good prospect and possibly another piece if Dubois is moved now.

You screwed up, you made a stupid statement, were called on it and couldn't back it up.

Just take the L And move on.


It was someone else that brought up the trio actually, and I believe you agreed with them.

You said Dubois for a prospect, Dach and a 1st, which is still off-base..... falls into that category of the afore mentioned trio.

Not shifting goal posts as you claim. Sticking to my valuation that a deal involving Dubois would be Dvorak, Ylönen and a pick..... that would be a framework.

You are under the impression that Dubois is worth more, and I say he simply isn't.

We can do this all day long. Dubois will not net a Grade A prospect unless he is moved to a legit Cup contender, which changes the conversation. Even then, not sure how much more than a Grade A prospect he nets.

The initial package presented actually does have merit. Dvorak plugs a hole very well (defensively just as good as Dubois, offensively no), Hoffman score 25 on a short term deal, and for a team whose window is supposed to be open and lacking any level of scro8jg on the third line might actually matter. The prospects can be used in the system, or flipped for organizational needs. The pick is a bonus.

Perhaps the Jets do better, it's possible. But I don't see bluechip prospects or young NHL talent with high ceilings being the return here - which clearly you do.

What is going to happen, is Dubois will test the UFA market, price himself out, and end up on a 1 year deal á la Hall in Buffalo or Kilingberg in Amahiem because he sees his worth being more than what it actually is.

Not a risk many GMs are going to take, nevermind moving real assets to get it done.

I stand by the assessment.
2 août 2022 à 17 h 4
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Quoting: swinny
Suzuki is simply a better lol. He is a PPG player now, and can play 200 feet. A leader in the locker room (like letter material). Over the last few years, his game continues to get better. Dubois is what he is at this point - a 60 point fantastic 2C. He is not nor will he be 1C. Suzuki flat out is.

Caufield maybe a one trick pony, but, he is that with all sorts of potential - and teams are generally reluctant to move bluechip prospects. Caufield at this stage of his career I would argue would be just like Patrick Laine at this stage of his career. The potential to be a 50 goal scorer is/was evident. I highly doubt Chevy would have moved a 21 year old Laine for Dubois. When Laine was moved for Dubois, Laine was established as a 35 goal scorer, and a dangerous threat. There was a ceiling that was reached. With Caufield, that ceiling has not been. Dealing with a valuation of small sample sizes can be difficult, but Caufield at this point looks every part of Laine. Better than Dubois no, well, not yet, but could be. At the very least, we are talking in terms of equal value when all is said and done.

Slafs is a first overall pick. Dude is huge, can skate, and actually knows how to use his size. If I am a Habs fan, I see a John LeClair that can hit. Habs haven't had a player quite like him in a generation.

The ceiling with Slafs is actually higher than Caufield imo.

Yes, we are dealing with hypotheticals when it comes to prospects, but name a team that would moved a 6'4" 230lb first overall pick, plus more, for Dubois?

Blunt answer - it won't happen.

I am not saying Dubois doesn't have value. He certainly does. But, Dubois simply isn't worth what you think he is.

If the Habs were to make an offer, I will maintain, something like Dvorak, Ylönen and a pick would be a framework that functions.

Hughes is hanging up the phone if you bring up Suzuki, Caufueld or Slafs. Be like moving Perfetti for Anderson. And I doubt Jets fans would like that too much.


In what world is Suzuki a PPG player?
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2 août 2022 à 19 h 42
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Quoting: JackHughesELITE
In what world is Suzuki a PPG player?


I predict he hits 80 points this year. Caufield I think pots 35 goals. They are a duo. Feed off each other, like a ghetto style Gretzky and Kurri.
3 août 2022 à 0 h 1
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Quoting: swinny
I predict he hits 80 points this year. Caufield I think pots 35 goals. They are a duo. Feed off each other, like a ghetto style Gretzky and Kurri.


Just because you think he's gonna hit 80 points does not make him a PPG player.
 
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