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Créé par: rcazz
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 20 juill. 2022
Publié: 20 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Trying to establish fair value between Tkatchuk and Nylander:

Tkatchuk:
-Regular Season (431 gp, 425 pts)
-Playoffs (27 gp, 15 pts)
-Age/Contract (24/Unsigned-likely costs 9-10 m x 1 in arbitration) (*also wants out of CGY lowering their leverage in trade scenario)

Nylander:
-Regular Season (439 gp, 343 pts)
-Playoffs (39 gp, 30 pts)
Age/Contract (26/6.9m x 2 yrs)

Tkatchuk is a better player but considering Nylander’s seemingly under appreciated value, along with Tkatchuk’s contractual issues, a trade between the two would be a lot closer than people think.

Imo a solid prospect, and a mid/late rd draft pick bridges this gap pretty fairly (regardless if TO extends him past next year or not)
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RFAANSCAP HIT
79 500 000 $
11 350 000 $
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1.
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [Droits de RFA]
CGY
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 7e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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TOR
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
SEA
  1. Holl, Justin
Détails additionnels:
anywhere
3.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (SEA)
SEA
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Détails additionnels:
anywhere
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $82 468 250 $212 500 $0 $31 750 $
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Bunting, Michael
950 000 $950 000 $
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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Tkachuk, Matthew
9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
AD
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
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Järnkrok, Calle
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
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Engvall, Pierre
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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Abruzzese, Nick
850 000 $850 000 $
AG, C
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Gaudette, Adam
750 000 $750 000 $
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Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $900 000 $
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Rielly, Morgan
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
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UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
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Samsonov, Ilya
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
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Sandin, Rasmus
1 350 000 $1 350 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Giordano, Mark
800 000 $800 000 $
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Benn, Jordie
750 000 $750 000 $
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UFA - 1

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20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 25
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Someone will trade a lot more for Tkachuck than that package. Not sure why anyone on this site would pretend 24 year olds are viewed as rentals lol.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 25
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Calgary laughs at that trade proposal and hangs up. Then calls back to laugh some more and hang up again
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 29
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Quoting: Isles5513
Someone will trade a lot more for Tkachuck than that package. Not sure why anyone on this site would pretend 24 year olds are viewed as rentals lol.


I mean his contract allows him to walk after this upcoming season the same way a rental UFA would so..
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 30
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Quoting: Orango
Calgary laughs at that trade proposal and hangs up. Then calls back to laugh some more and hang up again


For reasons stated above, I disagree, respectfully.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 32
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I mean his contract allows him to walk after this upcoming season the same way a rental UFA would so..


Yeah but he’s 24 and everyone calling Calgary will have an extension in place with the deal
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 33
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For reasons stated above, I disagree, respectfully.


If Calgary does move Tkachuk, they will be offered a lot more than this proposal. Nylander is very good, yes...but a true power forward superstar in his prime is a very rare thing to be available. I expect a team to really overpay to get him.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 38
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Yeah but he’s 24 and everyone calling Calgary will have an extension in place with the deal


I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 39
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I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.


Calgary will do whatever they can to maximize their return. That means an extend and trade.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 40
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I’m sure in an ideal world that would be the case, but Calgary doesn’t really need to worry about his next contract if they’re trading him. I’d bet that they take the quality player who is close in value and signed for two more years at a reasonable price, in addition to picks and a prospect than wait around until Tkatchuk agrees on a team/contract extension throughout the season.


I don’t agree that the players are comparable either
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 40
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If Calgary does move Tkachuk, they will be offered a lot more than this proposal. Nylander is very good, yes...but a true power forward superstar in his prime is a very rare thing to be available. I expect a team to really overpay to get him.


Maybe so, I guess all I’m suggesting is that if a team pays dramatically more than this, then they are grossly overpaying based on the player values and contract statuses involved.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 42
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I don’t agree that the players are comparable either


I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 44
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I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


Yes offensively they are nearly identical, but defensively its not even close. Tkatchuk back skates, gets takeaways, and throws the body around, whereas Nylander does not.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 47
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I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


You don’t normally see older players packaged for someone so young. Can’t imagine how awkward it would be for Calgary to introduce an older winger as part of their return lol.
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I’m not suggesting Nylander is better or even as good as Tkatchuk but their statistics are relatively close, Nylander actually outperforming him in career playoff totals, while factoring in the contracts pull their values even closer together


Maybe Marner for Tkachuck is realistic but even then I’m not sure. And you obviously aren’t adding to Marner if ur Toronto.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 48
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You don’t normally see older players packaged for someone so young. Can’t imagine how awkward it would be for Calgary to introduce an older winger as part of their return lol.


They will be 1 year apart in age as of December mate.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: Orango
Yes offensively they are nearly identical, but defensively its not even close. Tkatchuk back skates, gets takeaways, and throws the body around, whereas Nylander does not.


I guess I just see the contract factor as more significant than those differences. Plus that’s what the added prospects and picks are meant to address too.
20 juill. 2022 à 11 h 54
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They will be 1 year apart in age as of December mate.


Yeah but they aren’t actually a year apart. Isn’t it a year and however many months
 
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