Quoting: Hosiz
Acting like a team can’t compete if they have forwards in their 30’s is just insane. This roster has only 4 forwards older than 31.
bailey - 32, martin - 32, clutter - 34, and parise - 37
The oldest player on that list was one of the teams best players last year. Just because they have old players doesn’t mean those players can’t still play.
I loved toews and wasn’t happy with the trade at the time either but absolutely nobody thought he was a norris caliber defenseman at the time idc how many charts you show me. Saying he didn’t look out of place in that tampa series is also crazy, he was their worst defenseman in that series by a lot - again not saying he should’ve been dealt for what he was but it’s just dumb to dawn on that move still, it happened and you just have to look forward - they just brought in a 22 year old defenseman to fill that void.
In regards to cizikas, i’m not sure what chart you looked at to tell you that he definitely lost a step but I’d suggest going back and watching the guy skate because although he had a down year he definitely didn’t lose a step.
This isn't my opinion, it's a fact. Teams like the islanders will a bunch of 30 year old forwards (it's hilarious that you increased the age to 31 to fit your narrative) cannot compete. Clearly isles fans are oblivious to aging curves, over 90% of forwards start to decline by the time they hit 30. I guess you haven't been following free agency over the years, most long term deals end up as albatross contracts.
Parise is a great bottom 6 forward and he has exceptional work ethic, the fact that you admitted he was one of their better players just proves my point. He had a solid 3rd line impact and he was better than half the forwards. Get it now?
No you are completely wrong, many people knew he was an elite top pair defenseman at the time, including the Avs. That is a fact, obviously if you're an elite defenseman at 26 YO it's likely you will be on a Norris trajectory. Those charts are a main reason why the Avs acquired Toews and many other good players, Isles and their fans are stuck in the the past. Teams who use analytics are the best teams in the NHL. Andy Greene was their worst defensman in that series, he couldn't keep up with Tampa, his turnover led to Kucherov scoring the game winning goal with 10 sec left in the 3rd in game 2.
I don't want to move on, I knew he was an elite defenseman at the time and I want isles fans to continue to hear how bad of a trade it was. It's going to go down as one of the worst trades in NHL history.
I look at the same charts Colorado and Tampa use before they trade/sign a player, is there a problem with that? Cizikas spent most of his ice time scrambling in the defensive zone and the easiest way to see he's lost a step is his terrible penalty differential. Players who lose a step take bad penalties because they can't keep up with speed of the game.