younger more controllable forwards you can get for Manson... That TBL trade is robbery by them.

Why...
Both of those trades are horrible.
I guarantee now that some leafs fans are going to attempt to make that trade now since it was posted.

Leafs trade is fine. Anaheim get a top line LW to play with Getzlaf + a decent bottom depth D for a young defefesnive RHD. Tampa trade is bad tho

Have to say getting tired of Ducks posts, Ducks fans think they're getting a King's Ransom for their defenseman.

If Anaheim loses in Finals because they couldn't score past the Preds defense I bet you Bob Murray would probably push hard to get JVR

Agree. Ducks fans overrated the s*** out of their D. The only D on their team that can bring in heavy talent would be Lindholm, or Theodore. Fowler isn't worth more than a top 6 forward. Manson can bring in someone decent but ducks would accept a guy like JVR even tho he only has a year left.

The JVR for Manson trade has already been shot down numerous times. And no way is Murray trading both Manson and Vatanen it's one or the other. And more then likely Vatanen.

Toronto fans get a small whiff of playoff hockey and they go crazy. These trades are bad.

You geniuses do realize that they're going to lose one of Vatanen or Manson if they don't trade them right. Would they rather get something tangible in return or lose them to Vegas for nothing? They can't afford to lose Silfverberg for nothing either so something has to give. The way their roster looks they're better off keeping Silfverberg over Vatanen

I admit the Tampa trade is a bit lackluster. My point was Vatanen should get traded for prospects/picks cause its better than losing him to Vegas for nothing.

So we should give up a cost controlled defensemen who we have no replacement for because why exactly? We'd be better off losing Vats for nothing than losing Silf or Manson or trading Manson for a winger that will be here for a year. JVR is an overrated one dimensional winger. Not anywhere worth Manson.



No, we just don't want to give up valuable pieces for rentals, or spare parts when we don't have to. Yeah, I'm sure JVRs 15 goals in his playoff career (52 games) would be a big help. Dude was god awful this season in the playoffs, so I highly doubt he helps us in the playoffs. Especially when we are losing Manson in the process, are defense gets incredibly worse and the goals JVR might score doesn't cover up the goals that will get scored against us with Manson gone.

Fowler is a top pairing D on a team that has been one of the top teams in the league, even with Randy freaking Carlyle coaching. He's more valuable than you make him out to be. The fact that you think Theo is worth more than Fowler is baffling. Ducks would never want JVR back if he only has a year left on his contract, he and Fowler are both UFAs next season, I would throw money at the younger top pairing D than the older one dimensional soft winger.



It's terrible for the Ducks. We have Ritchie and Rakell who can play with Getz on the left side. We have ZERO use for a rental winger who wouldn't even play a cycle game well with Getz and Perry. Also, Manson is worth a hell of lot more than JVR. D>W in trade value. RHD > LW in trade value. Cost controlled RFA next season > UFA next season. Value wise, JVR doesn't sniff Manson's jock strap.