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Can they get past the hump

Créé par: Shylo_Moxii
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 5 juill. 2022
Publié: 5 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Don't take it too serious I'm not trying to waste my time making it completely fair, and no not every team would do these trades I agree. Chicago and Philly are far fetched as it is.

Just looking at what Toronto can do to make it past the first round.
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    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 46
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    You would want to trade him. But if someone offers what's said in the second quote, you should keep him for the trade deadline or just extend him


    I agree with you there. I also disagree with your previous statement that cat was more valuable than eichel and that they don’t have to trade him. I get how u r saying if they don’t get the right return they shouldn’t trade him but look at eichel. Eichel is a better player yet will likely fetch a similar haul to cat because of the injury. Wanting out doesn’t mean they have to trade him, look at duchene for example, duchene wanted out of colorado for over a year and wasn’t traded and when he was it directly lead to an avs cup with key pieces like girard and byram coming back. The sabres could have held out on eichel even longer and if they were decent people they would have let eichel do the surgery he wanted for his body and his value would not have been depleted. If the hawks management continues to mess up like they have been doing and like the sabres were doing it will go from cat being a luxury item to trade to a player that requests a trade and the offers will be worse. Eichel>cat: eichel trade return=cat trade return
    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 52
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    You would want to trade him. But if someone offers what's said in the second quote, you should keep him for the trade deadline or just extend him


    An ideal leafs hawks trade will likely have to include the following for cat. Roni hirvonen, Rodian Amirov, 2023 first unprotected, 2024 first unprotected, niemela, and that’s just a start. Likely would have to include a roster player as well, liljegren is probably that piece. Not to mention this screws the leafs future and they still won’t make it out of the first round, second round if they are lucky. Cat is not the piece for the leafs, they already have an abnormally high amount of forwards over 10 mil and cat will demand at least 10 in Canada based on taxes
    5 juill. 2022 à 3 h 45
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    Toronto doesn’t have the draft picks or prospects to get Debrincat.


    toronto has one of the better prospect pools in the NHL, you have 0 clue what youre saying LOL
    5 juill. 2022 à 5 h 8
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    toronto has one of the better prospect pools in the NHL, you have 0 clue what youre saying LOL


    "One of the better prospect pools in the NHL" They aren't anywhere close to being a top 10 prospect pool. Maybe the 15th or 16th at best. Clearly you have 0 clue what youre saying LOL
    5 juill. 2022 à 5 h 10
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    Quoting: Hurricanes73
    An ideal leafs hawks trade will likely have to include the following for cat. Roni hirvonen, Rodian Amirov, 2023 first unprotected, 2024 first unprotected, niemela, and that’s just a start. Likely would have to include a roster player as well, liljegren is probably that piece. Not to mention this screws the leafs future and they still won’t make it out of the first round, second round if they are lucky. Cat is not the piece for the leafs, they already have an abnormally high amount of forwards over 10 mil and cat will demand at least 10 in Canada based on taxes


    I don't think debrincat demands more then 10 mil
    5 juill. 2022 à 5 h 12
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    "One of the better prospect pools in the NHL" They aren't anywhere close to being a top 10 prospect pool. Maybe the 15th or 16th at best. Clearly you have 0 clue what youre saying LOL


    A prospect pool that consists of Knies, Niemela, Robertson, Amirov, and recently just graduated Sandin and Liljegren, is most def top 10. Tell me you know absolutely 0 about any of the prospects, itll make this alot easier
    5 juill. 2022 à 5 h 20
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    A prospect pool that consists of Knies, Niemela, Robertson, Amirov, and recently just graduated Sandin and Liljegren, is most def top 10. Tell me you know absolutely 0 about any of the prospects, itll make this alot easier


    Prospect pools that are way better than Toronto are Kings, Red Wings, Ducks, Wild, Canes,Devils, Sens, Sabres, Flyers, sharks (10 teams). Tell me you don't know absolutely 0 about any of the prospects, it'll make this alot easier
    5 juill. 2022 à 6 h 54
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    Prospect pools that are way better than Toronto are Kings, Red Wings, Ducks, Wild, Canes,Devils, Sens, Sabres, Flyers, sharks (10 teams). Tell me you don't know absolutely 0 about any of the prospects, it'll make this alot easier

    this guy tried to throw the flyers, sharks , devils and the wild in there💀💀💀💀💀💀
    5 juill. 2022 à 8 h 6
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    this guy tried to throw the flyers, sharks , devils and the wild in there💀💀💀💀💀💀


    LMAO the fact that you said the Leafs have a better prospect pool then the devils means you don't know anything about other teams. The devils EASILY have a better prospect pool. Dawson Mercer just went to the NHL and they still have Alexander Holtz, Luke Hughes and Nolan Foote. Holtz alone is worth waaaaay more then any prospect Toronto has.
    5 juill. 2022 à 8 h 12
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    this guy tried to throw the flyers, sharks , devils and the wild in there💀💀💀💀💀💀


    William Eklund of the sharks alone is better than all of Toronto's prospects. Toronto doesn't have a top top prospect. Most of their prospect will be NHLers but not anything special like many other teams have. You're the reason why people wonder why Toronto has the most annoying fan base. You don't know anything about other teams and your are severely overatering mid-prospects.
    7 juill. 2022 à 17 h 18
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Eichel got a 1st (16), 2nd, an A prospect, and a 50 - 60 point NHLer, while openly talking about wanting an experimental neck surgery. Also Giroux is like 36 and going to be a UFA


    Quoting: Chicago88
    They traded for one year of Glaude Giroux. And Debrincat should get more than Eichel. Eichel didn't want to be in Buffalo anymore and has a neck injury. Chicago doesn't have to trade Debrincat


    Quoting: Chicago88
    You would want to trade him. But if someone offers what's said in the second quote, you should keep him for the trade deadline or just extend him


    Quoting: Hurricanes73
    They are kinda going into a rebuild. The only player I don’t see them trading for futures is seth Jones. Kane is possibly traded, toews could be gone too. They have to reacquire assets after the jones trade where they essentially gave up 3 top 12 picks for him😬😬😬. While Chicago doesn’t have to trade cat it is in their best interest to do so. He’s a young 40 goal scorer and arguably the most valuable asset on the team. Why waste his prime years in Chicago losing for the foreseeable future when he can go to a team that needs him and has the resources get him. Tbh if they don’t trade cat by the draft I see this blowing up hard in the hawks face


    well here you go 7 OA 39 OA and a 3rd in 2024. Which is less than even I proposed so I guess this convo is over LMAO.
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    That's what I'm saying. This guy is a St. Louis fan but over values Toronto's prospect


    and your team just settled for less so am I truly the one overvaluing here?
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    7 juill. 2022 à 17 h 21
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    You would want to trade him. But if someone offers what's said in the second quote, you should keep him for the trade deadline or just extend him


    and it's not what Chicago did they traded for even less.
    7 juill. 2022 à 22 h 37
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    well here you go 7 OA 39 OA and a 3rd in 2024. Which is less than even I proposed so I guess this convo is over LMAO.


    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    and your team just settled for less so am I truly the one overvaluing here?


    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    and it's not what Chicago did they traded for even less.

    We wanted a high draft pick. You guys don’t have that.
    7 juill. 2022 à 23 h 6
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    well here you go 7 OA 39 OA and a 3rd in 2024. Which is less than even I proposed so I guess this convo is over LMAO.

    And no way you’ve been waiting for Alex debrincat to get traded to cement that. Guess I was in your head that easily
    8 juill. 2022 à 1 h 28
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    well here you go 7 OA 39 OA and a 3rd in 2024. Which is less than even I proposed so I guess this convo is over LMAO.


    capfriendly is the worst place, everyones either ridiculously under or overvalued, no in between. ppl on here have no clue what reality is
    8 juill. 2022 à 1 h 52
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    capfriendly is the worst place, everyones either ridiculously under or overvalued, no in between. ppl on here have no clue what reality is


    Aren’t you the guy that said it would take a 5th and a bad prospect to move mrazek? You say people have no clue what reality was but so do you. Takes an amazing amount of lack of self awareness for you out of all people to say that.
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    We wanted a high draft pick. You guys don’t have that.


    you wanted a high draft pick to grab a 14-25 slotted player that makes a lot of sense.
    8 juill. 2022 à 2 h 43
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    Aren’t you the guy that said it would take a 5th and a bad prospect to move mrazek? You say people have no clue what reality was but so do you. Takes an amazing amount of lack of self awareness for you out of all people to say that.


    moving down 13 spots is literally the equivalent of less value than that in this draft lmfaool
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    you wanted a high draft pick to grab a 14-25 slotted player that makes a lot of sense.


    Kevin Korchinski isn't a 14-25 player. His Rankings: Ranked #12 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING Ranked #19 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #8 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #11 by TSN/BOB McKENZIE Ranked #18 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #10 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON Ranked #7 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #13 by SPORTSNET Ranked #17 by ISS HOCKEY Ranked #14 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #15 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #17 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #13 by SMAHT SCOUTING Ranked #17 by THE PUCK AUTHORITY He goes between 7-19. I don't know where you are getting those numbers from. Next time you should look into a player before making a stupid coment like that
    8 juill. 2022 à 2 h 57
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    moving down 13 spots is literally the equivalent of less value than that in this draft lmfaool


    I don't know what that comment means. Anyways, looks like your time lost the trade. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609500 LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
    8 juill. 2022 à 3 h 2
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    moving down 13 spots is literally the equivalent of less value than that in this draft lmfaool


    Quoting: Chicago88
    I don't know what that comment means. Anyways, looks like your time lost the trade. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609500 LMFAOOOOOOOOOO


    And looks like Dubas has to trade away assets to get rid of another bad contract. Imagine if you guys had Seth Jarvis
    8 juill. 2022 à 3 h 5
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    I don't know what that comment means. Anyways, looks like your time lost the trade. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609500 LMFAOOOOOOOOOO


    it means this draft class is terrible and the difference in selecting players from 25-38 , there is 0 skill gap. the hawks takin Ls left and right. Takin the leafs scraps for nothing , then trading debrincat for nothing. Also giving up on Dach was stupid too
    8 juill. 2022 à 3 h 6
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    And looks like Dubas has to trade away assets to get rid of another bad contract. Imagine if you guys had Seth Jarvis

    that contract was signed by Lou though💀 was also a 6.25M cap hit, little different situation
    8 juill. 2022 à 4 h 30
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    Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
    it means this draft class is terrible and the difference in selecting players from 25-38 , there is 0 skill gap. the hawks takin Ls left and right. Takin the leafs scraps for nothing , then trading debrincat for nothing. Also giving up on Dach was stupid too


    If there is no difference between 25-38, why are a lot of people saying it's a fair trade, then chicago wins the trade instead of Toronto fleeceing Chicago. https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609500

    And if the Dach trade is bad, how come people are saying it's a fair trade then saying Chicago wins https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/609429
     
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