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Créé par: Shylo_Moxii
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 5 juill. 2022
Publié: 5 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Don't take it too serious I'm not trying to waste my time making it completely fair, and no not every team would do these trades I agree. Chicago and Philly are far fetched as it is.

Just looking at what Toronto can do to make it past the first round.
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    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 3
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    Toronto doesn’t have the draft picks or prospects to get Debrincat.
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    Toronto doesn’t have the draft picks or prospects to get Debrincat.


    very subjective. They do, they just aren't willing to unrealistically overpay more than what even Eichel got which this is pretty close considering a 2023 first as deep as it is. Is quite worth it.
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    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 7
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    very subjective. They do, they just aren't willing to unrealistically overpay more than what even Eichel got which this is pretty close considering a 2023 first as deep as it is. Is quite worth it.

    Toronto doesn’t have a top pick or a great prospect pool.
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    Toronto doesn’t have the draft picks or prospects to get Debrincat.


    Robertson and SDA with 2 firsts and a 2nd is probably worth about 3-4 first round picks and a 2nd. So you saying that just means you are a fanboy and you don't want DeBrincat to get trade and while that's all fine and good. This is honestly a great trade for Chicago in a rebuild phase.
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    This roster wouldnt get past the 1st round. Toronto also doesnt have anything of interest for Debrincat. Chicago already turned down a high 1st another 1st and a prospect
    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 8
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    Toronto doesn’t have a top pick or a great prospect pool.


    LOL. You never heard of Robertson or SDA. Ok yeah we are done here. Nothing to see if you didn't know both of them are high valued forward prospects.
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    Robertson and SDA with 2 firsts and a 2nd is probably worth about 3-4 first round picks and a 2nd. So you saying that just means you are a fanboy and you don't want DeBrincat to get trade and while that's all fine and good. This is honestly a great trade for Chicago in a rebuild phase.


    Lol
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    This roster wouldnt get past the 1st round. Toronto also doesnt have anything of interest for Debrincat. Chicago already turned down a high 1st another 1st and a prospect


    this is 2 firsts 2 prospects a roster player and a 2nd. While yeah it's an overpay and Toronto doesn't do it. I do think this team would be deep enough to pass at least 1 round.
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    Robertson and SDA with 2 firsts and a 2nd is probably worth about 3-4 first round picks and a 2nd. So you saying that just means you are a fanboy and you don't want DeBrincat to get trade and while that's all fine and good. This is honestly a great trade for Chicago in a rebuild phase.


    Robertson and SDA are not worth that much
    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 10
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    Trade for Pat Maroon and Corey Perry. You'll play in the SCF every year.
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    Robertson and SDA with 2 firsts and a 2nd is probably worth about 3-4 first round picks and a 2nd. So you saying that just means you are a fanboy and you don't want DeBrincat to get trade and while that's all fine and good. This is honestly a great trade for Chicago in a rebuild phase.


    The old quantity for quality trade always works. 😉
    5 juill. 2022 à 2 h 12
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    Robertson and SDA are not worth that much


    that's subjective who does Chicago have in their prospect pool? 2 Middle to top 6 forwards on a team who doesn't have much of a pool themselves.
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    Quoting: MoreHitzSeider
    The old quantity for quality trade always works. 😉


    I mean technically it's quality and quantity for quality.
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    Robertson and SDA are not worth that much


    That's what I'm saying. This guy is a St. Louis fan but over values Toronto's prospect
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    that's subjective who does Chicago have in their prospect pool? 2 Middle to top 6 forwards on a team who doesn't have much of a pool themselves.


    Thats why theyre trading their star players for top 5 picks and A+ prospects though lol.
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    this is 2 firsts 2 prospects a roster player and a 2nd. While yeah it's an overpay and Toronto doesn't do it. I do think this team would be deep enough to pass at least 1 round.


    2 mid-late first round picks and 2 b prospects isn't an overpay for debrincat
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    Thats why theyre trading their star players for top 5 picks and A+ prospects though lol.


    Eichel couldn't even get that. Claude Giroux at TDL didn't get that. Tampa overpaid with late firsts because well they don't really need the picks honestly. No one trades top top prospects for players anymore. Karlsson when he was sought after. No one was gonna offer up big name prospects for him. It was the same concept for Eichel, and it was the same for Claude Giroux.
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    2 mid-late first round picks and 2 b prospects isn't an overpay for debrincat


    when Eichel got a Top 6 forward a B prospect and a mid first round pick and a 2nd round. You sure on that one bud?
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    2 mid-late first round picks and 2 b prospects isn't an overpay for debrincat


    and actually 3C 2nd Round 2 Mid Late first round picks and sure 2 B+ Prospects. You really want to hold your line on that one bud?
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    Eichel couldn't even get that. Claude Giroux at TDL didn't get that. Tampa overpaid with late firsts because well they don't really need the picks honestly. No one trades top top prospects for players anymore. Karlsson when he was sought after. No one was gonna offer up big name prospects for him. It was the same concept for Eichel, and it was the same for Claude Giroux.


    Eichel got a 1st (16), 2nd, an A prospect, and a 50 - 60 point NHLer, while openly talking about wanting an experimental neck surgery. Also Giroux is like 36 and going to be a UFA
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    Eichel couldn't even get that. Claude Giroux at TDL didn't get that. Tampa overpaid with late firsts because well they don't really need the picks honestly. No one trades top top prospects for players anymore. Karlsson when he was sought after. No one was gonna offer up big name prospects for him. It was the same concept for Eichel, and it was the same for Claude Giroux.


    They traded for one year of Glaude Giroux. And Debrincat should get more than Eichel. Eichel didn't want to be in Buffalo anymore and has a neck injury. Chicago doesn't have to trade Debrincat
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    and actually 3C 2nd Round 2 Mid Late first round picks and sure 2 B+ Prospects. You really want to hold your line on that one bud?


    Are you saying that a couple seconds and a third line center makes that much of a difference?
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    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    LOL. You never heard of Robertson or SDA. Ok yeah we are done here. Nothing to see if you didn't know both of them are high valued forward prospects.


    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    LOL. You never heard of Robertson or SDA. Ok yeah we are done here. Nothing to see if you didn't know both of them are high valued forward prospects.


    Robertson is PPG in the AHL but went .1 PPG in the nhl. I know it’s a small sample size but if you compare other small sample sizes it is very different. For example, in 28 games he had 28 points. Not too shabby. Jack drury of the canes went 24 in 18 in the Calder cup playoffs. Mind u there is roughly a 1 year age gap but in small sample sizes they can be seen as elite prospects. Both will definitely be NHLers next year but it’s kind of picking and choosing stats to bolster the value of them. SDA went 32 in 51 in the AHL as a 21 year old. That translates to middle 6 potential with a floor of 4th line. Not rlly the great prospect you say he is when you look at the stats. The fact that to make the trade even work you have to have the hawks retain 2.5 mil means he will likely be 6mil more on the books if the leafs want to resign him. Hard to imagine a world where the hawks accept that trade without the retention let alone with it. SDR Robertson and 2 late firsts are not getting cat. If that’s what it takes the canes are giving up drury, ponomarev, 2 firsts, a second, and fast for cat without retention which is a better offer. Dont even try to get me going on the sanhiem trade. I get the flyers r tanking and all but do you really see them selling on him for muzzin and topi as the only real assets. They could get more for him at the deadline but then again it’s the flyers and they gave up actual valuable assets for risto. Soup man isn’t signing for that low, especially in a Canadian market where the taxes are higher. Kinda weird how ppl don’t look at how it’s automatically harder for Canadian teams to sign free agents because of taxes in their nation. End of the day, this is an unrealistic hawks trade, flyers trade, and soup signing and Canada has taxes
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    Quoting: Chicago88
    They traded for one year of Glaude Giroux. And Debrincat should get more than Eichel. Eichel didn't want to be in Buffalo anymore and has a neck injury. Chicago doesn't have to trade Debrincat


    They are kinda going into a rebuild. The only player I don’t see them trading for futures is seth Jones. Kane is possibly traded, toews could be gone too. They have to reacquire assets after the jones trade where they essentially gave up 3 top 12 picks for him😬😬😬. While Chicago doesn’t have to trade cat it is in their best interest to do so. He’s a young 40 goal scorer and arguably the most valuable asset on the team. Why waste his prime years in Chicago losing for the foreseeable future when he can go to a team that needs him and has the resources get him. Tbh if they don’t trade cat by the draft I see this blowing up hard in the hawks face
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    Quoting: Hurricanes73
    They are kinda going into a rebuild. The only player I don’t see them trading for futures is seth Jones. Kane is possibly traded, toews could be gone too. They have to reacquire assets after the jones trade where they essentially gave up 3 top 12 picks for him😬😬😬. While Chicago doesn’t have to trade cat it is in their best interest to do so. He’s a young 40 goal scorer and arguably the most valuable asset on the team. Why waste his prime years in Chicago losing for the foreseeable future when he can go to a team that needs him and has the resources get him. Tbh if they don’t trade cat by the draft I see this blowing up hard in the hawks face


    Quoting: Shylo_Moxii
    and actually 3C 2nd Round 2 Mid Late first round picks and sure 2 B+ Prospects. You really want to hold your line on that one bud?


    You would want to trade him. But if someone offers what's said in the second quote, you should keep him for the trade deadline or just extend him
     
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