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Créé par: SupremeBone

Équipe: 2022-23 Oilers d'Edmonton

Date de création initiale: 4 juill. 2022

Publié: 4 juill. 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Rakell brings a set of skills with him that, like Puljujarvi, complement McDavid's play (skating, forechecking, and two-way ability) while having more developed offensive tools. Tolvanen brings an elusive offensive game with a strong shooting arsenal while also being notably cheaper than alternatives for 2 years. I'm confident that both would thrive in EDM.

The reconstructed 4th line brings 3 big bodies with enough of a track record to rely on them to not get beaten like past iterations of Oiler 4th lines. Carrier in particular is a very effective 4th liner.

The blueline gets MUCH bigger (Soucy, Desharnais, and Broberg are all 6'3 and above replacing 6'1 Keith, 5'11 Barrie, and 5'10 Russell) and more capable of defending. Kulak's understated game was key to the Oilers making progress in the playoffs and I think Soucy brings much of the same. Both should help insulate the young D as they develop.

Campbell seems to be high on Holland's list and, given the success he has had with ex-Leafs (Barrie, Ceci, and Hyman), I think he'll do what it takes to get his guy.

Lastly, the trades were made with the intention of recouping some of the many lost picks. This team is going to need to continue to hit on mid-to-late round picks.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
McLeod, Ryan		2	1 175 000 $
Yamamoto, Kailer		3	2 750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Campbell, Jack	4	5 500 000 $
Kulak, Brett	4	3 000 000 $
Joshua, Dakota	2	900 000 $
Sanford, Zachary	1	1 600 000 $
Sherwood, Kiefer	1	850 000 $
Rakell, Rickard	4	4 100 000 $

Transactions

EDM

Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (DAL)

DAL

Barrie, Tyson

EDM

Tolvanen, Eeli
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NSH)

NSH

Puljujärvi, Jesse [Droits de RFA]

EDM

ARI

Keith, Duncan
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

Buyout

EDM

Soucy, Carson
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (TOR)

SEA

Foegele, Warren
Samorukov, Dmitri
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

EDM

Carrier, William
Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (VGK)

VGK

Shore, Devin (425 000 $ retained)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

EDM

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)

MTL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

Rachats de contrats

James Neal: 1 916 667 $
Andrej Sekera: 1 500 000 $
Zack Kassian: 666 667 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Milan Lucic: 750 000 $ (12.5%)
Devin Shore: 425 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	81 168 500 $	896 000 $	2 200 000 $	1 331 500 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Tolvanen, Eeli 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	McDavid, Connor 12 500 000 $12 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4	Rakell, Rickard 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 6
Hyman, Zach 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 6	Draisaitl, Leon 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 3	Yamamoto, Kailer 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD RFA - 2
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 7	McLeod, Ryan 1 175 000 $1 175 000 $ C RFA - 1	Holloway, Dylan 925 000 $925 000 $ (500 000 $$500K) AG, C RFA - 2
Carrier, William 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Joshua, Dakota 900 000 $900 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Sanford, Zachary 1 600 000 $1 600 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
	Ryan, Derek 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1	Sherwood, Kiefer 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Nurse, Darnell 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 8	Ceci, Cody 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ G UFA - 5
Kulak, Brett 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Bouchard, Evan 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 1	Skinner, Stuart 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Desharnais, Vincent 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 2
Broberg, Philip 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DG RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Klefbom, Oscar 4 167 000 $4 167 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1
		Smith, Mike 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ G UFA - 1

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 2

Boltsradynasty

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Your explanation for Tolvanen is exactly why Poile tells Holland to pound sand. He'a just as good younger and cheaper,but you expect Nashville to add a 3?!!!!!!!!! really??!!!

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 11

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

Your explanation for Tolvanen is exactly why Poile tells Holland to pound sand. He'a just as good younger and cheaper,but you expect Nashville to add a 3?!!!!!!!!! really??!!!

Quite a strong overreaction over a 3rd, don't ya think?

If you disagree with my perception of their respective trade value, you can state that without adding all the ?s and !s and the righteous indignation. Maybe others will disagree, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that Puljujarvi is generally valued more than Tolvanen.

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 15

Boltsradynasty

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Quoting: SupremeBone

Quite a strong overreaction over a 3rd, don't ya think?

i can think of a ton of really good players who were thirds really don't think it was an overreaction nevermind a "strong overreaction . hopefully you are having an awesome day

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 15

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Not enough for Campbell, there will be competition (his ask is around $6M)

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 21

OldNYIfan

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A really nice construction, he said fearfully. I am hoping Holland isn't as productive.

Quoting: MrDinkiee

Not enough for Campbell, there will be competition (his ask is around $6M)

I'd be surprised if Campbell gets as much as $5.5 million. Let's remember this prediction when he signs. You know where to find me.

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 23

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

A really nice construction, he said fearfully. I am hoping Holland isn't as productive.

I'd be surprised if Campbell gets as much as $5.5 million. Let's remember this prediction when he signs. You know where to find me.

Sure, but Edmonton isn't the only team interested. Especially with how weak the goalie market is and how expensive to trade for a goalie is, Campbell is one of the best available. It's not just Edmonton that is interested, it's the Devils, Sabres, and Red Wings (home town team)

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 24

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

i can think of a ton of really good players who were thirds really don't think it was an overreaction nevermind a "strong overreaction . hopefully you are having an awesome day

Our lack of true left winger would be the reason I would say no to trading tolvanen. I wouldn’t mind going after Puljujarvi but not for tolvanen

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 24

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Quoting: Boltsradynasty

i can think of a ton of really good players who were thirds really don't think it was an overreaction nevermind a "strong overreaction . hopefully you are having an awesome day

"but you expect Nashville to add a 3?!!!!!!!!! really??!!!"

Well, if this is the tenor of your normal responses, I'd suggest you'll be better received without all the extra punctuation- or the exasperated "really"

Sure, plenty of good players have come from the 3rd round, but the likelihood of getting such a player is rather low (sub-10% iirc). Further, the trade value of a 3rd is generally a bottom-of-the-roster player when moved at the deadline or a fading/boom-bust prospect. I'm not saying your conclusion is wrong- it may well be the majority opinion- but that's what these things exist to discuss: the relative values or assets and the merit of trades conceived around them.

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 30

Boltsradynasty

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Quoting: GeauxPreds1

Our lack of true left winger would be the reason I would say no to trading tolvanen. I wouldn’t mind going after Puljujarvi but not for tolvanen

i never said JP wsan't worth going for just not at that price

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 31

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Quoting: MrDinkiee

I don't think I agree that the goalie market is weak or that a goalie is expensive to acquire. Campbell is among the best bets out there, but there a pretty large number of starting or potential starting goalies on the market this offseason. Gibson & Hellebuyck are the expensive options that head up a market including Fleury (not an option), Kuemper, Varlamov, Husso, one of Samsonov or Vanecek, Holtby, Georgiev, and likely one of Reimer or Hill.

Regardless, his ask may be 6mil but we'll see if teams bite on that. My point is, I don't think 5.5mil is outside of the realm of reason even if it's a tad shy.

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 33

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Quoting: MrDinkiee

Plus some places he wouldn't like to play and probably wouldn't consider (Arizona, Seattle) and dark horses Washington, Ottawa and Chicago.

But I still don't think that he gets $5.5 million. Nevertheless, the OP is being careful in budgeting.

4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 35

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I think rakell stays in pitt for that AAV, he seemed to really like it here

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 36

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Quoting: GeauxPreds1

Our lack of true left winger would be the reason I would say no to trading tolvanen. I wouldn’t mind going after Puljujarvi but not for tolvanen

That's a fair point, but that seems like a rather minor concern given you have Jeannot in the NHL and L'Heureux, Parssinen, and arguably Svechkov and Afanaseyev (some sources say LW, others say C) bubbling under and a UFA market rife with LWs. If the team added a name like Burakovsky, Neiderreitter, Palat, or Domi, would your view soften?

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 39

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Quoting: Hullsy09

I think rakell stays in pitt for that AAV, he seemed to really like it here

That's certainly a possibility! PIT also has quality Cs for him to play with. At what AAV do you think PIT would not be willing to re-sign him?

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4 juill. 2022 à 16 h 45

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Quoting: SupremeBone

That's certainly a possibility! PIT also has quality Cs for him to play with. At what AAV do you think PIT would not be willing to re-sign him?

honestly I have no clue, that was all speculation. I think he is a great fit on either team. Hextall is a very tough negotiator and it is impossible to know what is really going on, but what we do know is that he has priorities: he will get letang signed, then he will move onto geno, then the rest. So I don't think even Hextall knows what it will take, he has likely only had preliminary talks with rakell. The first thing that happened this summer was the Bryan Rust extentsion, this tells me "we would love to keep rakell in addition to rust, but rust is the priority". If Rakell hits FA I would expect 4 or 5 years at an AAV of 4.5-5 million. But based on what Mikheyev's agent thinks Mikheyev can get I wouldnt be surprised to see Rakell in the 5s.

4 juill. 2022 à 21 h 18

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Quoting: SupremeBone

Yea it would

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