They were never serious? Obviously in the hypothetical I proposed, BG accepted their offer for Fiala which meant they got to negiotiate with him, so how would getting a trade offer accepted by your GM to get to the point of contract negiotations be considered “not serious”?

You think the entire draft class collectively has a 10-20% chance of one player being as good as Fiala? That’s just insane. We’ll have to disagree there.

All we asking

2nd overall + Holtz
7th overall + Jarventie
13th overall + Wahlstrom
13th overall + Raty
19th overall + Turcotte + Faber
19th overall + Vilardi + Kaliyev

Just listen to Russo…(but ignore the parts where he says what would be best comps for Fiala trades).

I did. And my comment still stands, you mention how many other available scorers are available. I simply mentioned the cost will be much more for those wingers.

Why are you arguing this? This is legitimately the process haha. Russo detailed it several times. Lou Nanne a former GM, also has mentioned this process.

Who is proposing Fiala for Holtz and 2OA?! I’ve yet to see a Wild fan propose this.

STOP

I NEVER SAID HOLTZ AND 2ND OVA!


I said Holtz and a 2nd round PICK!

Jesus!

Can you read? I didn’t argue it? I said, USING THE PROCESS YOU OUTLINED, if a team gets an offer accepted by your GM, and fails to negiotiate a contract how is that considered not a serious suitor if they had a trade proposal accepted.

Makar, Stutzle, Heiskenan, Thomas, Hischier, Lundell, Raymond, Pettersson, Jarvis, Norris…tons of guys more valuable than Fiala now.

According to statistics and odds of players hitting those PPG thresholds, yes. Absolutely. There are literally dozens of models and research analysis that covers that subject online. Wherein they detail talent gaps and likely projection trends.

Of course there are exceptions who beat the odds in every draft. But that is why they are the exceptions, not the rule.

Certainly seems like you’re arguing and the All caps makes it sound like you’re pissed about it lol.

You’re not serious about trading for a player if you don’t have an idea what said player would be asking. Meaning, no GM will go in blind and be shocked what Fiala is asking. Your scenario is unlikely to happen.

Makar, Hischier, Heiskenan, likely Norris.

Yes.

Stutzle, maybe. In time, he'll definitely be.

Pettersson... do you mean Elias? Because he's struggled mightily the last two years, and that's dropped his value a ton. It's likely more than Fiala, but not by much.

Everyone else.

No.

Robert Thomas? Or Raymond, Lundell, Jarvis, Suzuki?

Except you’ve made it clear other teams won’t be able to talk to Fiala without a trade in place with the GM, so how are they supposed to know what he’s asking? And I used caps because wasn’t sure if you were able to read what i was typing.

1st year NHL players, all of them. Aside from Suzuki, who you didn't mention before. I'll mention that one, later.

None of which, have the history of production Fiala does or his PPG season to give them anywhere close to the same value.

Fiala was on a 30 goal 70 point pace the last 3 years on his own before getting actual help in the form of Boldy this year. And surprise! He's a 80+ point player.

He easily hits 90+ points if he had Boldy the entire year. Furthermore, he was on pace for another 70'ish PPG pace before Boldy showed up, over a PPG once he did.

That's proven production. Proven value.

Those players aren't prospects anymore, they're NHL'ers now. They have high values, just not as high as Fiala's.

Raymond:
82 games
23G
34A
57P
.70 PPG

Lundell:
65 games
18G
26A
44P
.68 PPG

Jarvis:
68 games
17G
23A
40P
.59 PPG

Thomas:
12 games
2G
4A
6P
.50 PPG

Their value is somewhat close to Fiala’s OLD value, right now. Which means he's worth more than them at present.

Ironically, did you know which rookie this year had the best PPG and who played more than 12 NHL games?

Fiala’s linemate.

Boldy:
47 games
15G
24A
39P
.83 PPG

Fiala:
82 games
33G
52A
85P
1.04 PPG

Not exactly close in value from stats, is it.

As for Suzuki.

In his three years in the league, he has two 40 point seasons and was a 60 point player this year. It was the first time he's cracked 20 goals, in point of fact.

That's a far cry from Fiala's production in the league. Center or no.

Suzuki, like Lundell as well... probably, is a 2C at best.

Fiala as a PPG Winger carries more value.

Don’t insult me like that. If you dont think GMs have a general idea of what Fiala is looking for, I’ve got nothing more to say, you’re lost enough already.

Well from your replies it really seemed like you didn’t read a single word I said so it was warranted. And yet somehow negotiations still fall apart all the time.

Fall apart sure, but I don’t see your scenario happening. If a team wants to trade for Fiala, they’re prepared to pay him. You can disagree with the way things in the NHL are done, but that’s how they’re done.