Devils Trade For Pasta

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Créé par: srof12

Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey

Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2022

Publié: 7 juin 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Not saying I would or wouldn’t do this from a Devils perspective, but this is what it could cost.

> Lucic brought back a No. 13 pick, a future No. 1 goalie and a 22-year-old defenseman who played 42 games the following season. If the Bruins determine, on July 13 or shortly after, that extending Pastrnak is not possible, the ask for No. 88 will be higher.
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> A 2023 first-rounder would be nonnegotiable. They would want a 2023 second-rounder also. It wouldn’t end there. A young NHL player and high-end prospect would round out the package.

2022 2nd OA probably not in play, Pasta won't get traded before the draft.

Via The Athletic
https://theathletic.com/3353715/2022/06/07/david-pastrnak-trade-bruins-rebuild/

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Bratt, Jesper	8	6 800 000 $
Thompson, Tyce	2	1 000 000 $
Zetterlund, Fabian	2	1 200 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Nichushkin, Valeri		5	7 000 000 $
Kuemper, Darcy		3	4 500 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Slafkovsky, Juraj		3	900 000 $

Transactions

NJD

Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (WSH)

ARI

NJD

Pastrnak, David

BOS

Boqvist, Jesper [Droits de RFA]
Holtz, Alexander
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

top 5 protected 1st round pick

Rachats de contrats

Cory Schneider: 2 000 000 $

Frais appliqués

Ilya Kovalchuk: 250 000 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	78 465 833 $	0 $	882 500 $	4 034 167 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Sharangovich, Yegor 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C, AG, AD UFA - 1	Hughes, Jack 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C UFA - 8	Pastrnak, David 6 666 667 $6 666 667 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Bratt, Jesper 6 800 000 $6 800 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Hischier, Nico 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ C UFA - 5	Nichushkin, Valeri 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 8
Slafkovsky, Juraj 900 000 $900 000 $	Mercer, Dawson 894 167 $894 167 $ (400 000 $$400K) AD, C RFA - 2	Tatar, Tomas 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Foote, Nolan 863 333 $863 333 $ AG RFA - 2	Zetterlund, Fabian 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ AD RFA - 1	Bastian, Nathan 825 000 $825 000 $ AD UFA - 1
	McLeod, Michael 975 000 $975 000 $ C RFA - 1	Thompson, Tyce 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Graves, Ryan 3 166 667 $3 166 667 $ DG UFA - 1	Hamilton, Dougie 9 000 000 $9 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Kuemper, Darcy 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G UFA - 5
Siegenthaler, Jonas 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Severson, Damon 4 166 666 $4 166 666 $ DD UFA - 1	Blackwood, Mackenzie 2 800 000 $2 800 000 $ G UFA - 1
Smith, Ty 863 333 $863 333 $ (400 000 $$400K) DG/DD RFA - 1
Bahl, Kevin 795 000 $795 000 $ (82 500 $$82K) DG RFA - 1	Walsh, Reilly 925 000 $925 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Bernier, Jonathan 4 125 000 $4 125 000 $ G UFA - 1

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 2

HeadHighSauce

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I probably go for a cheaper option than Val if this is the trade (plus he hates Ruff).

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7 juin 2022 à 18 h 15

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Not really sure why there is Lucic comparison but whatever. Holtz is a good start but no protection on the 1st if Boqvist and the 2nd are the other pieces.

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 16

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

I probably go for a cheaper option than Val if this is the trade (plus he hates Ruff).

Maybe signing someone like Nino or try to trade for Poolparty instead of signing Val.

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7 juin 2022 à 18 h 18

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Not really sure why there is Lucic comparison but whatever. Holtz is a good start but no protection on the 1st if Boqvist and the 2nd are the other pieces.

first round picks aren't traded without protection anymore.

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7 juin 2022 à 18 h 20

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Not really sure why there is Lucic comparison but whatever. Holtz is a good start but no protection on the 1st if Boqvist and the 2nd are the other pieces.

The Lucic comparison is from the linked Athletic article where they talk about what Lucic got as a return. It's the context to how they got this "A 2023 first-rounder would be nonnegotiable. They would want a 2023 second-rounder also. It wouldn’t end there. A young NHL player and high-end prospect would round out the package."

Highly doubt any team trades an unprotected 1st, even for someone as good as Pasta.

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 23

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

first round picks aren't traded without protection anymore.

Quoting: srof12

Change the 3rd/4th pieces or Pastrnak can just stay in Boston.

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 24

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Change the 3rd/4th pieces or Pastrnak can just stay in Boston.

I am not Tom Fitzgerald, I'm sorry. (nor am I OP)

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 26

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

first round picks aren't traded without protection anymore.

Rangers traded their 1st this year and it was unprotected

Boston traded their 1st this year and it was unprotected

No way in hell is Boston trading Pasta only to have to wait till next years draft to make a pick that is Top 5 protected

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 28

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Quoting: ON3M4N

The Rangers pick was literally a 2nd rounder unless they made the ECF lol

TDL deals are obviously very different.

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 30

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

The Rangers pick was literally a 2nd rounder unless they made the ECF lol

TDL deals are obviously very different.

That's not a protection, that's a condition lol

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 31

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Quoting: ON3M4N

No way in hell is Boston trading Pasta only to have to wait till next years draft to make a pick that is Top 5 protected

Well it doesn't seem like they're gonna trade him before this years draft, so if they want a 1st back it's gonna be 2023.

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 32

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Quoting: ON3M4N

That's not a protection, that's a condition lol

Yeah so why would you use an obviously non-comparable situation here? You're not making your argument any stronger. "top 28 protection" was functionally the condition on that pick lmao

TDL deals when you know those picks are not lottery are non-comparable.

Reinhart, Eichel, Karlsson, Duchene etc are the comparable here and those types of trades are never unprotected firsts. Top 5 protection after the 22 draft is perfectly reasonable.

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7 juin 2022 à 18 h 33

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Quoting: ON3M4N

That's not a protection, that's a condition lol

Those picks aren't lottery picks

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 35

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

Eichel and Reinhart were top 10 protected too. That seems to be a baseline here. Top 5 is pretty generous. Plus I don't think this Devils team would pick top 5 anyways lol

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 37

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Quoting: srof12

Eichel and Reinhart were top 10 protected too. That seems to be a baseline here. Top 5 is pretty generous. Plus I don't think this Devils team would pick top 5 anyways lol

No, its missing losing the forrest for the trees. It's incredibly modest and offseason trades with first rounders always carry protection.

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7 juin 2022 à 18 h 38

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Quoting: HeadHighSauce

Big difference between a condition and a protection.

Protection would be if the pick was within a range then the pick in the same round gets moved to the following season. In a condition the pick can change rounds, be in the same draft year, change to following year etc. How is this so hard to understand?

7 juin 2022 à 18 h 43

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Quoting: bhavikp27

Change the 3rd/4th pieces or Pastrnak can just stay in Boston.

"They would want a 2023 second-rounder also. It wouldn’t end there. A young NHL player"

There's your3rd/4th pieces. Boqvist is a 30 to 40 point young center with potential to get a bit better. As a 4th piece, that's pretty damn good. You could swap that out for any prospect not named Luke Hughes if you'd prefer.

7 juin 2022 à 19 h 7

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Quoting: srof12

That's your perspective. Boqvist will be 24 in October and has slightly improved the past 3 years. Swap him for another prospect instead. Reilly Walsh/Nolan Foote maybe.

7 juin 2022 à 19 h 14

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Quoting: ON3M4N

they are literally both conditions on the pick. there's no formal distinction between protection and condition.

7 juin 2022 à 20 h 51

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Quoting: bhavikp27

That's your perspective. Boqvist will be 24 in October and has slightly improved the past 3 years. Swap him for another prospect instead. Reilly Walsh/Nolan Foote maybe.

Sure, Walsh or Foote would work there too. Neither of those guys have proved anything at the NHL level though, so in my opinion, Boqvist has more value.

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