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TBL 22-23 moving Serg and other moves

Créé par: JTBF81
Équipe: 2022-23 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 13 mai 2022
Publié: 15 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
If Tampa decides to listen to offers on any of the 3 main rfas, it's likely Serg. Kulikov would be a solid 3LD for now as well, although if Tampa re-signs Rutta for ~2 million aav then they could have Roy play the left side and keep Rutta with Hedman.
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  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (TBL)
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  1. Chromiak, Martin
  2. Roy, Matt
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (LAK)
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  1. Sergachev, Mikhail
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
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15 mai 2022 à 2 h 25
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I think a 4th and 6th or just a 3rd could get a done for Kulikov, which would be a great add for Tampa bc he is definitely underrated but Minnesota may want to move cap
I think the Kings are a great place to look for Tampa if they want to trade Sergachev. Like getting another super underrated RD in Roy with multiple yrs left.
Blackwell would be a good add, think he could get more around 1.5 and I think Paul settles for a little less especially resigning with Tampa Bay, in the grand scheme of things your cap balances out

Overall great job with this one.
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15 mai 2022 à 2 h 31
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Kings would love to trade for Sergachev, but not if Matt Roy is the price.
15 mai 2022 à 15 h 8
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Kings would love to trade for Sergachev, but not if Matt Roy is the price.


L A. has a large surplus on RHD, both already in the NHL and in good prospects. Tampa wouldn't be moving Serg without a significant piece coming back, at a position they need, that could contribute next season. I don't see Tampa moving him to L.A. unless either Roy or Kaliyev is the main piece, or if Tampa was just looking at prospects, Clarke as tbe main piece. Turcotte, Grans, Spence etc. don't move the needle as the big piece if Brisebois is listening to offers on him imo.
15 mai 2022 à 16 h 3
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Kings would love to trade for Sergachev, but not if Matt Roy is the price.


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L A. has a large surplus on RHD, both already in the NHL and in good prospects. Tampa wouldn't be moving Serg without a significant piece coming back, at a position they need, that could contribute next season. I don't see Tampa moving him to L.A. unless either Roy or Kaliyev is the main piece, or if Tampa was just looking at prospects, Clarke as tbe main piece. Turcotte, Grans, Spence etc. don't move the needle as the big piece if Brisebois is listening to offers on him imo.


The lightning don’t have to move sergachev but LAK as a trade partner feels as a win-win for both sides as tampa lacks RD and LAK has a surplus on RD and lack LD. roy probably is the guy Tampa needs, or they consider offers with spence or durzi instead.
15 mai 2022 à 23 h 3
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L A. has a large surplus on RHD, both already in the NHL and in good prospects. Tampa wouldn't be moving Serg without a significant piece coming back, at a position they need, that could contribute next season. I don't see Tampa moving him to L.A. unless either Roy or Kaliyev is the main piece, or if Tampa was just looking at prospects, Clarke as tbe main piece. Turcotte, Grans, Spence etc. don't move the needle as the big piece if Brisebois is listening to offers on him imo.


Then the Kings can look elsewhere for LHD help. Opening a gap at RHD to fill a gap at LHD doesn't solve any problems. Roy isn't expendable until Faber makes the jump to the NHL. None of Durzi, Spence, Grans, Clarke, etc. bring what Roy does to the lineup.

Kaliyev is a non-starter.
16 mai 2022 à 15 h 11
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Then the Kings can look elsewhere for LHD help. Opening a gap at RHD to fill a gap at LHD doesn't solve any problems. Roy isn't expendable until Faber makes the jump to the NHL. None of Durzi, Spence, Grans, Clarke, etc. bring what Roy does to the lineup.

Kaliyev is a non-starter.


That's fine, Tampa has no reason to move Serg, so if Brisebois listened to offers, it would be a good one needed. Kings fans aren't getting a quality LHD without giving up something of real value, regardless of which LD it is.
16 mai 2022 à 15 h 15
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The lightning don’t have to move sergachev but LAK as a trade partner feels as a win-win for both sides as tampa lacks RD and LAK has a surplus on RD and lack LD. roy probably is the guy Tampa needs, or they consider offers with spence or durzi instead.


Agreed. Knowing how Tampa targets their defenseman, I don't see Spence or Durzi being one that they go for in a potential Serg trade. They each have value but between not being the type of dman Tampa usually goes for, and with still more limited NHL experience, I feel Roy is the most likely to be acquired.
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That's fine, Tampa has no reason to move Serg, so if Brisebois listened to offers, it would be a good one needed. Kings fans aren't getting a quality LHD without giving up something of real value, regardless of which LD it is.


Quoting: JTBF81
Agreed. Knowing how Tampa targets their defenseman, I don't see Spence or Durzi being one that they go for in a potential Serg trade. They each have value but between not being the type of dman Tampa usually goes for, and with still more limited NHL experience, I feel Roy is the most likely to be acquired.


The Kings have a lot of valuable pieces that they'd be willing to give up for the right player, but Roy and Kaliyev are not among them. Opening up new gaps in the roster to fill different gaps doesn't make the Kings better.

Once Faber is NHL ready, then Roy could be made available. Until then, the Kings can't afford to trade him.
16 mai 2022 à 19 h 2
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The Kings have a lot of valuable pieces that they'd be willing to give up for the right player, but Roy and Kaliyev are not among them. Opening up new gaps in the roster to fill different gaps doesn't make the Kings better.

Once Faber is NHL ready, then Roy could be made available. Until then, the Kings can't afford to trade him.


Except for teams giving up a top 4 or better LHD, amd if the team is a contender, they won't be moving that player for lottery tickets and prospects that may pan out down the line. If L.A. isn't willing to give up a piece that Tampa could actually utilize next season, Tampa would take a near certain better offer elsewhere if listening on offers.
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Except for teams giving up a top 4 or better LHD, amd if the team is a contender, they won't be moving that player for lottery tickets and prospects that may pan out down the line. If L.A. isn't willing to give up a piece that Tampa could actually utilize next season, Tampa would take a near certain better offer elsewhere if listening on offers.


This isn't about value. I'm not saying the Kings should only give up lesser prospects. They have a number of quality players they could give up for Sergachev. Vilardi, Kupari, Turcotte, Walker, Durzi, Spence, or Grans are all players at positions of strength that are all NHL ready and could help out Tampa immediately. The Kings lack scoring natural wingers and defensive RHD. They have an abundance of quality centers and offensive RHD. They're not going to try and boost their LHD by trading from one of their shallowest prospect positions.

The untouchable prospects the Kings have are Byfield and Clarke.

The kings won't trade these players due to positional needs:
Bjornfot
Anderson
Roy
Faber
Kaliyev
****emo

Doughty, Kopitar, and Quick are going to retire in LA.

Everyone else is available for the right price.
16 mai 2022 à 20 h 23
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Agreed. Knowing how Tampa targets their defenseman, I don't see Spence or Durzi being one that they go for in a potential Serg trade. They each have value but between not being the type of dman Tampa usually goes for, and with still more limited NHL experience, I feel Roy is the most likely to be acquired.


I think Roy is the most complete defenseman of the three (at least at this point in time) so that attracts Tampa the most. I know Tampa's analytics and pro scouting departments preach value contracts. While Roy is definitely worth his pay, Having Spence u1M for 2 more seasons could be attractive to them.
16 mai 2022 à 22 h 53
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This isn't about value. I'm not saying the Kings should only give up lesser prospects. They have a number of quality players they could give up for Sergachev. Vilardi, Kupari, Turcotte, Walker, Durzi, Spence, or Grans are all players at positions of strength that are all NHL ready and could help out Tampa immediately. The Kings lack scoring natural wingers and defensive RHD. They have an abundance of quality centers and offensive RHD. They're not going to try and boost their LHD by trading from one of their shallowest prospect positions.

The untouchable prospects the Kings have are Byfield and Clarke.

The kings won't trade these players due to positional needs:
Bjornfot
Anderson
Roy
Faber
Kaliyev
****emo

Doughty, Kopitar, and Quick are going to retire in LA.

Everyone else is available for the right price.


Neither Vilardi nor Kupari are players Tampa should be looking at. Turcotte may be but Tampa doesn't need a 2nd/3rd line tweener C, as they have plenty. Turcotte also hasn't impressed. Obv hks injuroes have been the main reason hes been slower to develop, but I'm no longer sold on him being the main piece in a trade for Serg. Walker has very little value until he shows he can still be the same kind of player he was before his knee was torn up. Spence is fine, but Tampa simply doesn't go after smaller dmen, at least they haven't really in the Yzerman/Brisebois era. Grans isn't helping Tampa next year as guaranteed he'd be in Syracuse, and Tampa has 3 RD prospects on the way. While Grans is a solid prospect, it's not necessarily something Tampa should be targeting in a Sergachev trade.

Maybe Tampa settles for Durzi+Chromiak/Turcotte+18OA, if they believe they can sign Durzi to a contract that will work. If Brisebois and Co. have changed their position on the type of dmen they want, maybe Spence instead of Durzi, but I doubt they have. At least an offer like that keeps L.A. in the running against the likely several other teams that would be calling.
16 mai 2022 à 23 h 2
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I think Roy is the most complete defenseman of the three (at least at this point in time) so that attracts Tampa the most. I know Tampa's analytics and pro scouting departments preach value contracts. While Roy is definitely worth his pay, Having Spence u1M for 2 more seasons could be attractive to them.


Spence would be good from the analytics pov, but for whatever reason Tampa under Yzerman/Brisebois almost never draft or trade for dmen under 6 feet and on the smaller(under ~190ish). While Spence looks to have a bright future, not sure if Tampa goes for him given this(Spence is like 5'9 or 5'10, 175). Maybe Tampa looks past it given his metrics and contract hit. Durzi could be an option depending on whether Tampa could.sign him to a new contract that works. I still believe they could get Roy, and I've had far more ppl(both Kings fans and neutrals) tell me they'd do Roy, Chromiak and 18oa for Serg+mid round pick or B prospect than those who have said no, so I think it's definitely a trade that could work for both sides.
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Spence would be good from the analytics pov, but for whatever reason Tampa under Yzerman/Brisebois almost never draft or trade for dmen under 6 feet and on the smaller(under ~190ish). While Spence looks to have a bright future, not sure if Tampa goes for him given this(Spence is like 5'9 or 5'10, 175). Maybe Tampa looks past it given his metrics and contract hit. Durzi could be an option depending on whether Tampa could.sign him to a new contract that works. I still believe they could get Roy, and I've had far more ppl(both Kings fans and neutrals) tell me they'd do Roy, Chromiak and 18oa for Serg+mid round pick or B prospect than those who have said no, so I think it's definitely a trade that could work for both sides.


It’s hard to say which way Tampa would go but I think either way Tampa and LAK would be happy
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