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Trading 2nd overall examples

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 13 mai 2022
Publié: 13 mai 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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In my previous post, I talked about the types of trades NJD would want in dealing away the #2 pick.

Read it here: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/3241423

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This post is intended to give some examples of possible trades NJD could be interested in.

First, some historical context. There have only been two instances where a #2 overall pick has been traded for a player once that pick is known:

--- 2001: NY Islanders send the 2nd overall pick, 24-yr old LHD Zdena Chara and 27-yr old RW Bill Muckalt to Ottawa for Alexei Yashin. Ottawa selected Jason Spezza at #2.

--- 1993: Hartford Whalers sent veteran winger Sergei Markov, and picks #6, #45 and #58 to San Jose for the 2nd overall pick. Hartford selected Chris Pronger at #2

There were also a few instances where the #2 pick was traded long in advance of knowing where the pick would end up: 1976 (144 days before draft), 1998 (95 days), 2010 (210 days)

And a few instances where the pick was involved in picks-only transactions (1973, 1998, 1999)

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So I am offering a few different ideas here, some based on historical comps, some based on the previous post.

1. Using the 2001 comp.

i) 2nd - 2nd
ii) Chara - Siegenthaler (young defensive LHD on good contract, after 4th season)
iii) Muckalt - Johnsson (26yr old winger, both career 0.46 ppg players heading into last year of contract)
iv) Yashin - Tkachuk (Top winger without a contract, both top scorers in most recent seasons (Yashin was 11th in most recent season before trade, Tkachuk ws 8th. Over previous 6-seasons, Yashin was 33rd in points, 23rd in ppg, Tkachuk was 25th in points, 31st in ppg)


2. Using the 1993 comp:

i) 2nd - 2nd
ii) 6th - 6th
iii) 45th - 44th
iv) 58th - 90th
v) Makarov - Voracek (both older scoring wingers with 2-years remaining on contract. Makarov was 40th in NHL in previous four years, Voracek was 41st. Makarov was coming off 0.80 ppg season, Voracek a 0.78 ppg season)

(and yes, had to go back to 1993 and 2001 since their there were few recent comps...I am well aware that a lot has changed since then).


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Using other offers discussed on ACGM

3. Fiala, #27, #47 for #2, #197: If you use the draft pick value chart, this would infer that Fiala's value is similar to that of the 6th overall pick:

#2 overall = 12.3
#197 overall = 0.2
#27 overall = 3.2
#47 overall = 1.7
Fiala = 12.3 + 0.2 - 3.2 - 1.7 = 7.6 (6th overall = 7.6)


4. Meier, #11, #203 for #2, #69, #165: If you use the draft pick value chart, this would infer that Meier's value is similar to that of the 6th overall pick:

#2 overall = 12.3
#69 overall = 0.9
#165 overall = 0.2
#11 overall = 5.7
#203 overall = 0.1
Meier = 12.3 +0.9 +0.2 - 5.7 - 0.1 = 7.6 (6th overall = 7.6)


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If you have better comps...better ways to construct fair deal, please offer it. I know these methods are limited in what they can do. But just asking for the Devils best pick and best prospect is even less tied to reality. "Starts with Holtz and your 1st" is getting a little old...
Transactions
1.
NJD
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
See 2001 comp above
CGY
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Siegenthaler, Jonas
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
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NJD
  1. Voracek, Jakub
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CHI)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CBJ)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
see 1993 comp above
CBJ
    2022 1st round pick (NJD)
    3.
    NJD
    1. Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
    3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (VAN)
    Détails additionnels:
    Valuing Fiala equal to 6th overall pick
    MIN
      2022 1st round pick (NJD)
      2022 7th round pick (NJD)
      4.
      NJD
      1. Meier, Timo
      2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (SJS)
      3. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (SJS)
      Détails additionnels:
      Valuing Meier equal to 6th overall pick
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        2022 3rd round pick (NJD)
        2022 6th round pick (NJD)
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        13 mai 2022 à 17 h 19
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        Quoting: glarson17
        That’s exactly my point, and I never asked for a 1st and a prospect for the signing rights of a player?


        Sharks fans have asked for #2 and our top prospect for Meier.
        13 mai 2022 à 17 h 34
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        Quoting: NHLfan10506
        Sharks fans have asked for #2 and our top prospect for Meier.


        I mean I would want that. I think it’s due to San Jose having few great prospects. NJ has the luckiest time in the lottery. 4 of the last 5 years in the top 7 including 2 1st overalls so it’s not like you would need Eklund and 2nd overall.
         
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