Ben chariot certainly didnt

Find me a cup champ with bad analytics

All the best Regular Season teams love analytics, now how many conference finalists over the last 5 years were analytic guys? 7 out of 20 so not even half! Then you have to take into account Vegas and Tampa had multiple appearances. So the real answer is 5 out of 15 or 1/3 of conference finalists only 2 made it to the Cup finals Tampa (twice) and Vegas (in 2018). Something tells me there is more to hockey success than relying on analytics alone.

Amazing the narrative you can build when you ignore many of these teams eliminating each other or the fact that even teams that make it deep and may or may not love analytics have great analytics.

Amazing how you can take literal facts and spin them to your narrative ignoring what you JUST said. You said all the BEST teams love analytics. Not anything about top playoff performers having great analytics. That is NOT even close to the same thing. My point is that teams that use more traditional methods of building a roster still have 2/3 better odds of making the Stanley Cup Final than those who used analytics and that is just taking into account the 15 teams that made the last 5 conference finals. Playoff success has very little to do with using analytics to build your roster, in fact the opposite is true in that more successful playoff teams use traditional methods to build their rosters. It's fine to use analytics to help identify which players you want to have a closer look at but you still have to use some of the more traditional methods to evaluate those players. Some things like determination, strength on the puck, upper body strength, willingness to drive the net, checking, shotblocking, hockey IQ, positioning and balance among others can not be quantified in the analytics data. It's one of the main reasons why the NHL holds the combine and individual teams also hold their own.

You do realize that if players were good at that stuff it would show up in the numbers right? Like hockey iq and positioning would be accounted for in being able to prevent shots and chances or create them?
And i love how you glossed over that teams that have good analytics actually progress further and its been that way for years.
The best part is that defensively ad a unit the habs actually had decent analytics last year, chariot just was dragging the rest of them down, their issue was scoring analytics. So losing their best analytic players jn danault and weber and getting trash goaltending exposed them even further for what they are.
Hell,the islanders have a bunch of analytics poster boy players and thats not because of lou liking how they hit.

Jared, if positiong was accounted for in the prevention of shots and scoring chances, don't you think someone like Chiarot who is constantly among the league leaders in shot blocks would have great analytics? Come on man, some models reflect it better than others but none are perfect. These unquantifiable aspects of players influence the game more than the models can determine. For instance say Marner is coming down the left side of the ice entering the Habs zone he sees Chiarot on his side and Clague on the other side. He knows Chiarot will step up and make it harder for him to enter the zone so he changes direction and carries the puck in on Clague's side instead. This isn't reflected in Chiarot's data since the play entered the zone on the other side of the ice away from Chiarot because analytics attempts to remove the human element out of the play. Marner made a play based on who was on the ice and his desire to not be ran over by the bigger defender but the models can't reflect that since Chiarot was not involved in the play directly by quantifiable data. Removing the human element from the game of hockey is good for determining things like how well a player skates, how many shots he takes per game and how many of those shots had a good chance of going in the net. What it fails to do is accurately represent how player A approaches any given on ice situation depending on if player B is on the ice. This is why analytics are JUST a tool and not the be all, end all of player evaluation. Marner isn't going to try to stick handle past Chiarot or try to bull over him he is going to change directions or make a cross ice pass to allow for easier zone entries or to maintain possession of the puck in the offensive zone.

yes i do think it would account for that, because shot blocks do not account for actual defensive positioning. Standing in front of your goalie is often the worst spot you can stand when playing defence because it not only screens them but leaves passing lanes wide open. Chariot sucks because he doesnt block the passing lanes, he doesnt prevent players from getting rebounds or scoring chances in front of the net, he doesnt stop players from entering the zone with the puck, he doesnt stop anything that contributes to actual chances and shots on net. He is not good defensively.
And if you are bringing his partners into it, then why do his partners have better numbers by stopping higher percentage of chances than he does? Because he is bad. And using clague, who also sucks at defence, as a counter example is hilarious because he also sucks and because chariot has played with him for less than 6 minutes this year total the least amount of any defender.
You're my favourite type of analytics hater, you have clearly done zero research into them and have no idea what they actually measure, but because they make you question a player you like not being good you dismiss them.
Chariot cannot defend against anything and when he is paired with anyone half decent he is targeted mercilessly by forwards because they know he's the weak link

Ok after reading that 1st paragraph, it obvious you have no clue who Chiarot is or what blocking shots actually means. It doesn't mean standing in front of your own goalie screening them, what are you 6 and have to have every hockey term defined to you?! It's clear that you want nothing more than to argue with people no matter how many times they prove you wrong. So I have on more thing to say to you. welcome to my ignore list!

you ever heard the phrase "blocking shots is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but if you're doing it all the time it suggests you have a bigger problem." ? Because it applies. If all Ben Chariot does defensivly is block shots, then he has a bigger problem. And since you flat out refuse to look deeper than that, well it's clear that you have zero interest in knowing what defence is or what Ben Chariot is.
It's very clear that you simply do not care about anything other than your preconceived don cherry brained notion of what a hockey player is and the fact that your putting me on your ignore list is simply more proof of that. Enjoy the echo chamber hoss