jesus over payment and a half

harrison looks very promising stud can still become a very solid 3c maybe even a 2c. beecher will be a good 3rd liner and debrusk has 2nd line 20+ goal potential still and a 1st no shot for a UFA winger lol maybe if forsberg had a 5yr contract for 5 mill annually even then idk if i would give up this much

Beecher max potential is everyday 3c. A mediocre one at that. DeBrusk wants out. Forsberg is a likely candidate to resign with Boston. DeBrusk, Beecher, and a 1st is really good value. Don't think Nashville wants any part of Studnicka.

Imagine looking at a 20 year old former first round pick who hasn’t played a single pro hockey game and saying he maxes out at a third liner. I don’t think he’s likely to play an NHL game, but slapping a ceiling on him is next level stupid. There are a whole bunch of guys that have been elite players in this league that didn’t look great at 20.

Yes, this is a huge overpay. Rentals are still rentals.

It's not stupid to slap a ceiling on him. In fact it's part of the evaluation process for assessing talent. Yes, plenty of 20 year olds have gone on to successful careers, vast majority haven't. Doesn't mean he can't or won't exceed that mark. His level of play right now indicates 3c ceiling.

yes but you can never really assume they will resign unless they come out and say they will and even then it's risky, remember Jonny T said he would resign in NYI and then left for toronto.

either way UFA's are UFA's there price will always come at a discount compared to if they had term on their contract

but at the price of beecher, debrusk + 1st id consider but not giving up 3 center prospects plus debrusk and a 1st for a winger on expiring deal ever

Do you need to learn what the word ceiling means in this context? It’s the max. It is the maximum potential. Saying he has a ceiling, but that he can exceed it is a mutually exclusive concept.
Your a blues fan, right?

I bet a lot of people slapped a ceiling on parayko when he was 20. Playing for a weak NCAA program in a weak conference. Not exactly lighting the league on fire to the point where it would indicate a high level NHL prospect. Given his size, a lot of people probably slapped a third pair PK guy ceiling on him. That was stupid too.
How about BInnington? ECHL. I’m sure a lot of people had AHL backup as a ceiling on him.

The list goes on and on and on. It’s a really stupid notion. Saying a player is unlikely to fulfill potential is one thing, and I’m on board with that because that’s usually the case, but giving a first round pick a bottom six ceiling when he’s 20 is epically stupid.

Yes it is the max determined by the evaluation of the player. Doesn't mean it's set in stone. His projected ceiling is 3c.

Players surpass what their projected ceilings are every year. Jamie Benn was never thought to be anything greater than a bottom 6 role player. That's what his projected ceiling was. Obviously he blew past that, same with Parayko and Binnington. So yeah, players blow past their projected ceilings every year. It's not a mutually exclusive concept. Some players develop later than others.

Okay, so this is a literal issue of not understanding the english language. Va bene.

No, this is an issue over projection versus results. I could say Fabian Lysell's ceiling is a 1st line winger. However, his actual ceiling may be a middle 6 winger, we just project him higher than what he's capable of.

Noooo its an issue of your 8th or 9th grade english teacher stinking at their job.

No. You're just clouded in your own world where a projection must be reality. That's not how life works. Variables always play a role in final outcomes. Just because I project Beecher's ceiling to be 3rd line center at best, doesn't mean he can't evolve and become something better. His ceiling could be higher than projected. It's common for this to happen in hockey. Again using examples of Benn, Parayko, Binnington, they didn't have high ceilings when drafted. Things changed. Nothing is stagnant. Stop living in such a narrow minded worldview.

Funny how you change the language. You’ve switched to projection.

“Beecher max potential is…”

If you can’t figure out what max potential means, there’s nothing to chat about. We’re speaking different languages. Literally.

Not at all. When I see Beecher, I see his max potential (or ceiling) to be 3c. That's the projection. They're one in the same. You're making a semantic argument at this point.

Do you really not understand that maximum potential means the absolute top of what he could become? That means he can’t exceed that.

Do you not know what potential means, or what maximum means?

I know what all of that means. Again, this is where projected max and actual max are different.

Example: You see Beecher and think his ceiling (or max potential) is 2nd line center. I look at him and think his ceiling (or max potential) is 3rd line center.

Neither is guaranteed, it's a projection for their max potential. That's all we're talking about here. It's not complicated, it's pretty simple. By next season I could look at Beecher and see something else in his game that I can reassess and say his new max potential is 2nd line winger.

No evaluation is absolute, things change. You seem to be stuck on this fact that just because someone evaluates someone now that somehow that evaluation can't change with time. It absolutely can change. That's what you don't understand.

Ah. Okay good. We’ve gotten to the bottom of it. You do not know what the word potential means. Moving on.

No, you're just too emotionally tied to your response and feelings that you can't let go. It's fine. People tend to get emotional when they don't understand something.

I’m actually just tied to the english language. You can just google the meaning of the word dude. Its not hard.

The definition of max is very simplistic. What we're discussing is the potential max of a player versus absolute max. Not sure why that's such a hard concept for you to understand but here we are.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/potential

This isn’t hard.

We know what potential is, that wasn't the issue at hand. This isn't that hard...

I do. You don’t.

Don't think you do. If you did, you'd know a player's potential can change with further evaluation. But you don't. It's fine.

His potential could change. The maximum potential cannot, because you already defined how much it can change, and broken your own parameters