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Clearing Cap Space and Filling Needs 3

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Date de création initiale: 3 févr. 2022
Publié: 3 févr. 2022
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This is only for fun so don't take it too serious. Feel free to offer suggestions to make a trade better. So in my first two attempts I have been accused of overpays and underpays which tells me I'm probably on the right track because a good trade usually falls somewhere in the middle. I have changed a few things up this time to maximize Boston's return.

1. Isles defense are terrible. They will be letting both Chara and Greene walk in the off-season and may trade Mayfield by the deadline. They're going to need someone now and for the next couple years. I've seen an Isles fan offer a third and a player for Reilly in another thread but I'm more interested with dumping salary here so just want the pick.

2. Arizona has made themselves available to absord cap hits. Don't really buy a lot with this move but do obtain a servicable bottom pair D that doesn't fit into the Yotes plans. They get a pick, a prospect and can even give Senyshyn a no risk try out for the rest of the season to see if he can pan out. Nobody wanted him on waivers so just moving on is better for the Bruins.

3. For Seattle, Debrusk is equal or better than Jarnkrok and is much younger. Both players are capable of being 20 goal scorers but neither has lived up to that this year for different reasons but both are starting to play well. Having a player in the lineup that has asked for a trade is bad for morale so cut our losses and get a piece back that can help the team. Nosek is better than Sheahan and younger as well. Seattle absorbs the higher cap hit but gets younger players as a trade off and Nosek has another year left on a decent contract. Wagner adds some grit to their 4th line and is mostly just a throw in but would be an upgrade for Seattle. He has also already cleared waivers so they don't need to bring him up unless needed.

4. Need a little more cap space so Clifton is a casuality and sent out for a draft pick. San Jose is short on right hand defense in their system so a mid round pick for a young physical D on a cheap contract makes sense for them.

5. Plenty of cap space so now it's time to put the screws to Vegas who is under the gun to move some contracts. Martinez fits a LD1 need and with his cap hit they will have to pay to move it. It's going to cost them a 1st round pick to move 3 years at 5.25 mil for a 34 year old.

Those first five deals need to be done sooner rather than later or risk missing the Vegas dump.

5. Lastly, if Pavelski is willing to come to the Bruins a first round pick, a prospect and a young player will hopefully do the trick for a rental at his age. Dallas retains half his salary to make the cap hit work.

There is some give and take in these moves. Sometimes giving a little more to get necessary cap space and sometimes getting a lot more than I'm giving away. In the end, if all this gets done, I think the Bruins have a chance at making a nice playoff run and haven't sacrificed the future to do it.

Be gentle. 🤣✌
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3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 22
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-Arizona has made themselves available to absord cap hits. Don't really buy a lot with this move but do obtain a servicable bottom pair D that doesn't fit into the Yotes plans. They get a pick, a prospect and can even give Senyshyn a no risk try out for the rest of the season to see if he can pan out. Nobody wanted him on waivers so just moving on us better for the Bruins.

-Plenty of cap space so now it's time to put the screws to Vegas who is under the gun to move some contracts. Martinez fits a LD1 need and with his cap hit they will have to pay to move it. It's going to cost them a 1st round pick to move 3 more years at 5.25 mil for a 34 year old.

Quick thought: Arizona cuts out the middle man here and just takes the 1st and Martinez...That way, they actually get a premium asset as opposed to a couple of long shots.
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-Arizona has made themselves available to absord cap hits. Don't really buy a lot with this move but do obtain a servicable bottom pair D that doesn't fit into the Yotes plans. They get a pick, a prospect and can even give Senyshyn a no risk try out for the rest of the season to see if he can pan out. Nobody wanted him on waivers so just moving on us better for the Bruins.

-Plenty of cap space so now it's time to put the screws to Vegas who is under the gun to move some contracts. Martinez fits a LD1 need and with his cap hit they will have to pay to move it. It's going to cost them a 1st round pick to move 3 more years at 5.25 mil for a 34 year old.

Quick thought: Arizona cuts out the middle man here and just takes the 1st and Martinez...That way, they actually get a premium asset as opposed to a couple of long shots.


Sssssshhhhhhh! 🤫 Arizona isn't to good at this whole hockey thing. Don't give them any ideas.
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 28
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Sssssshhhhhhh! 🤫 Arizona isn't to good at this whole hockey thing. Don't give them any ideas.


Hahaha, I mean, I'm certainly not a fan of tanking, but it's pretty incredible that they have 8 picks in the first two rounds of what's expected to be an extremely strong draft, and that they only have $30 mil on the books for next year.

Plus, Bill Armstrong managed to dump OEL's contract last year which was pretty miraculous. Guy isn't a dummy.
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 30
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Hahaha, I mean, I'm certainly not a fan of tanking, but it's pretty incredible that they have 8 picks in the first two rounds of what's expected to be an extremely strong draft, and that they only have $30 mil on the books for next year.

Plus, Bill Armstrong managed to dump OEL's contract last year which was pretty miraculous. Guy isn't a dummy.


Not true....Benning is just a bigger dummy. 🤣
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 32
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Sharks aren’t giving up a 3rd for Clifton
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Not true....Benning is just a bigger dummy. 🤣


I'm not a Yotes fan, but check out his trade history: https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/bill-armstrong

Lots of W's there, IMO. The only foolish thing was agreeing to take the worst of the Habs/Canes 1st round picks in that Dvorak trade...Imagine getting Wright and Cooley to kick off the rebuild!
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Sharks aren’t giving up a 3rd for Clifton


Yeah thought that might be high but I can see a 4th. He has a low cap hit and is a good 3rd pair RD. Better than anything they will get with a 4th round pick and he can step in now.
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 40
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I'm not a Yotes fan, but check out his trade history: https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/bill-armstrong

Lots of W's there, IMO. The only foolish thing was agreeing to take the worst of the Habs/Canes 1st round picks in that Dvorak trade...Imagine getting Wright and Cooley to kick off the rebuild!


I'm joking but it's really all about who gets there first. Boston has more reason to make the trade so if it comes to who will give more to make the trade, I give the edge to Boston. They can use the player while Arizona really just wants the pick.
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 47
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I'm not a Yotes fan, but check out his trade history: https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/staff/bill-armstrong

Lots of W's there, IMO. The only foolish thing was agreeing to take the worst of the Habs/Canes 1st round picks in that Dvorak trade...Imagine getting Wright and Cooley to kick off the rebuild!


When you really look at his trades though, there isn't much in the way of intelligence there. The price was set for taking on salary dumps before he even started doing it. Being the leagues garbage dump for bad contracts while icing a horrible team and losing money hand over fist isn't the best management of a franchise. The real test of how smart he is will be if he can take all those assets and turn them into a winning team. If he doesn't, what was it all for? I have yet to hear a timeline from him on when his fan base should expect them to become relevant. 5 year plan? 10 year? Who knows?
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 49
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Yeah thought that might be high but I can see a 4th. He has a low cap hit and is a good 3rd pair RD. Better than anything they will get with a 4th round pick and he can step in now.


We don't need him at all. Not going to waste a pick for something we have zero need for lol
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When you really look at his trades though, there isn't much in the way of intelligence there. The price was set for taking on salary dumps before he even started doing it. Being the leagues garbage dump for bad contracts while icing a horrible team and losing money hand over fist isn't the best management of a franchise. The real test of how smart he is will be if he can take all those assets and turn them into a winning team. If he doesn't, what was it all for?


Oh for sure...I mean, the Stralman dump is kind of hilarious, because they'll likely flip him at the deadline and get another asset out of it. The Chychrun trade will be a solid measuring stick IMO.

My biggest thing here is: How the heck are they going to even hit the floor next year?
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 51
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Yeah sharks aren’t doing anything close to that
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We don't need him at all. Not going to waste a pick for something we have zero need for lol


Might want to check your prospect pool for right D. It is slim pickings. Sharks definitely have a need for RD especially with Burns and Karlsson aging out of relevance.
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Might want to check your prospect pool for right D. It is slim pickings. Sharks definitely have a need for RD especially with Burns and Karlsson aging out of relevance.


Are you blind? Meloche has better numbers than Clifton. Merkley is one of the top puck moving RHD prospects in the league. I think i would know a little more about what the team that I watch every night needs a little more than you good sir. You are wrong. Deal with being wrong, accept it. I know it's tough but you need to persevere.
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Yeah sharks aren’t doing anything close to that


Have you seen their prospect pool? They have next to nothing coming up for right D. Clifton is better than anything they will get from a 4th pick and fills a role for a couple years. I think they would take it.
3 févr. 2022 à 12 h 56
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Have you seen their prospect pool? They have next to nothing coming up for right D. Clifton is better than anything they will get from a 4th pick and fills a role for a couple years. I think they would take it.


They don’t need RD. Karlsson, Burns, Merkely are all right side with the first two being signed long term still. They don’t need to overpay for Boston to get rid of cap space for a position they don’t need. That’s just stupid

And while you want to talk about prospect pools, look at your own. Bottom of the league yet all Boston fans seem to think they can trade all their low level prospects for star players in the league.
3 févr. 2022 à 13 h 0
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Are you blind? Meloche has better numbers than Clifton. Merkley is one of the top puck moving RHD prospects in the league. I think i would know a little more about what the team that I watch every night needs a little more than you good sir. You are wrong. Deal with being wrong, accept it. I know it's tough but you need to persevere.


Meloche does not have better numbers than Clifton and neither he or Merkley are ready for full tume NHL play. Clifton fills a need today. You may think I'm wrong but what you said is not accurate in the least. Clifton beings experience, grit, is a career plus player and is ready now. Sharks do not have enough right handed defenseman prospects in their system. Clifton allows the two with potential that you do have to develop.
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They don’t need RD. Karlsson, Burns, Merkely are all right side with the first two being signed long term still. They don’t need to overpay for Boston to get rid of cap space for a position they don’t need. That’s just stupid

And while you want to talk about prospect pools, look at your own. Bottom of the league yet all Boston fans seem to think they can trade all their low level prospects for star players in the league.


I've already said it. Neither Merkley or Meloche are ready for a full time NHL spot. Clifton gives them a couple years to develop so they are ready to take over more than a third pairing spot.
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Meloche does not have better numbers than Clifton and neither he or Merkley are ready for full tume NHL play. Clifton fills a need today. You may think I'm wrong but what you said is not accurate in the least. Clifton beings experience, grit, is a career plus player and is ready now. Sharks do not have enough right handed defenseman prospects in their system. Clifton allows the two with potential that you do have to develop.


The MFer isn’t a prospect. Clifton is 26 that’s not a prospect.
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I've already said it. Neither Merkley or Meloche are ready for a full time NHL spot. Clifton gives them a couple years to develop so they are ready to take over more than a third pairing spot.


Merkley absolutely is ready and Meloche has done well too. Clifton isn’t a prospect, he’s 26. The sharks don’t need more of a log jam at D. If you really want to move him to San Jose, they will trade you one of their 7ths this year.
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The MFer isn’t a prospect. Clifton is 26 that’s not a prospect.


I never called him a prospect. I called him an NHL ready player that will fill a bottom pairing role so SJ can let their two other prospects develop
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I never called him a prospect. I called him an NHL ready player that will fill a bottom pairing role so SJ can let their two other prospects develop


You continue to mention the sharks prospect pool and say Clifton will help and give the sharks more time which makes zero sense. Their players are ready, Clifton brings exactly what Meloche does but more expensive. It’s not line you are trading a young RD to add to the sharks prospect pool
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You continue to mention the sharks prospect pool and say Clifton will help and give the sharks more time which makes zero sense. Their players are ready, Clifton brings exactly what Meloche does but more expensive. It’s not line you are trading a young RD to add to the sharks prospect pool


I never said he would add to their prospect pool, I just said they were short on RD throughout their system. By adding Clifton for just above league minimum at 1 mil for another year after this allows the ones they have to develop.
I'd love to hear the argument for how at this moment 2 players with a combined 39 GP, 6 PTS and -8 are a better fit for the Sharks than a player with 121GP, 12 PTS and +17, who also has played 36 playoff games with 8 PTS and +1.
Another full year of development with Clifton as their third pair makes way more sense to me but to each their own I guess.
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I never said he would add to their prospect pool, I just said they were short on RD throughout their system. By adding Clifton for just above league minimum at 1 mil for another year after this allows the ones they have to develop.
I'd love to hear the argument for how at this moment 2 players with a combined 39 GP, 6 PTS and -8 are a better fit for the Sharks than a player with 121GP, 12 PTS and +17, who also has played 36 playoff games with 8 PTS and +1.
Another full year of development woth Clifton as their third pair makes way more sense to me but to each their own I guess.


Since you want stats Meloche has played 17 games this season with 3 points and a -6, Clifton has played 27 games with 2 points and a -2. How exactly is he bringing more than Meloche to the point the sharks give up a 3rd round pick?
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Since you want stats Meloche has played 17 games this season with 3 points and a -6, Clifton has played 27 games with 2 points and a -2. How exactly is he bringing more than Meloche to the point the sharks give up a 3rd round pick?


I said that was probably high and said a 4th is a better fit. You really can't take this year as an example because the whole Bruins team was a mess to start the season with all the changes that happened and the screwed up schedule they had. Boston was really bad to start the season and SJ actually started pretty strong. Clifton was a Cassidy sacrifice like he likes to do. Then a couple players he was replaced with played some good hockey and took his spot. Go take a look at video from his 2019 playoffs and then come back and tell me he can't be a solid 3rd line D. I'm not saying he will be better than these guys in a few years but today he is a better player.
But hey, if it hurts you guys so much for me to suggest the trade I'll trade him somewhere else. Just thought the Sharks could benefit from him. Apparently I was wrong because you guys say so. 🤷‍♂️
 
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