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Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 19 déc. 2021
Publié: 19 déc. 2021
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Trying to gauge values.
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  1. Georgiev, Alexandar
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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  1. Chychrun, Jakob
  2. Kessel, Phil (3 400 000 $ retained)
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  1. Chytil, Filip
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
  3. Lundkvist, Nils
  4. Nemeth, Patrik
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
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19 déc. 2021 à 22 h 54
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Wrong.
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Wrong.


Explain
19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 4
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Youre using most of our open cap on a back up goalie. Thats genius. Yes lets waste our cap on a position we need the least help with.
You completely neglect the weakness we have at center.
You trade for a LD under contract beyond this year which will means we will likely not be able to resign Strome.
By not resigning Strome and having no cap space, that means youre prepared to run Goodrow as your 2C.

Excellent work.
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19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 13
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Youre using most of our open cap on a back up goalie. Thats genius. Yes lets waste our cap on a position we need the least help with.
You completely neglect the weakness we have at center.
You trade for a LD under contract beyond this year which will means we will likely not be able to resign Strome.
By not resigning Strome and having no cap space, that means youre prepared to run Goodrow as your 2C.

Excellent work.


The D man only makes 2M more than Nemeth for a legit top tier guy for 4 years. But excellent job for noticing that massive upgrade.

The Back up G is only for this year and has no bearing on next years cap, same goes for Kessel. As for our needs, we need better D, better G, better RW, better C.. I addressed 3/4 of them since upgrading at C means moving which C where?!?! Goodrow at 3C is upgrading from Chytil so there’s that. But Zibby isn’t moving and who is replacing Strome? Give me the short list of unavailable players for that please. Also come TDL we will actually have far more room but this site doesn’t account for that in ACGM. So with a bit of intelligence and foresight you could realize that there’s still more possibilities while I clearly in the description said I was “gauging values “
19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 24
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The D man only makes 2M more than Nemeth for a legit top tier guy for 4 years. But excellent job for noticing that massive upgrade.

The Back up G is only for this year and has no bearing on next years cap, same goes for Kessel. As for our needs, we need better D, better G, better RW, better C.. I addressed 3/4 of them since upgrading at C means moving which C where?!?! Goodrow at 3C is upgrading from Chytil so there’s that. But Zibby isn’t moving and who is replacing Strome? Give me the short list of unavailable players for that please. Also come TDL we will actually have far more room but this site doesn’t account for that in ACGM. So with a bit of intelligence and foresight you could realize that there’s still more possibilities while I clearly in the description said I was “gauging values “


And you neglect the fact that I acknowledge that Fleury only for this year. However youre using 7m of our open cap at the deadline for someone we will likely not use much.
Why dont you give me a list of people replacing Strome. Youre the one trading for a LD under contract which will make resigning Strome not possible.
These trades arent impactful enough to make this team more than a 1st or 2nd round exit and without a 2C next year.
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19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 34
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And you neglect the fact that I acknowledge that Fleury only for this year. However youre using 7m of our open cap at the deadline for someone we will likely not use much.
Why dont you give me a list of people replacing Strome. Youre the one trading for a LD under contract which will make resigning Strome not possible.
These trades arent impactful enough to make this team more than a 1st or 2nd round exit and without a 2C next year.


So 1st off, you still can’t comprehend that I’m asking about the trade values 🤦🏻‍♂️.

2nd, we have 33M + to spend at TDL so 33M - 7M leaves us with 26M - Kessel and Chy $ and remember that we move out $ and we are still able to spend 20M so I’m not sure why you’re so up in arms about these moves. We could add Pavelski if he’s available, and then some more on top of that. But Once again, I’m trying to get trade values right for these guys first before I make other offers.

Do you understand this?
19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 38
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So 1st off, you still can’t comprehend that I’m asking about the trade values 🤦🏻‍♂️.

2nd, we have 33M + to spend at TDL so 33M - 7M leaves us with 26M - Kessel and Chy $ and remember that we move out $ and we are still able to spend 20M so I’m not sure why you’re so up in arms about these moves. We could add Pavelski if he’s available, and then some more on top of that. But Once again, I’m trying to get trade values right for these guys first before I make other offers.

Do you understand this?


Thats fine but Chychrun should not be on our radar at all. If you follow Kyprios, he believes his value is that of what Eichel cost Vegas.
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19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 46
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Thats fine but Chychrun should not be on our radar at all. If you follow Kyprios, he believes his value is that of what Eichel cost Vegas.


That’s correct, because he’s essentially an 8m D man at half price for 4 years. I would move Lindgren to keep Chychrun in a heartbeat.
19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 51
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That’s correct, because he’s essentially an 8m D man at half price for 4 years. I would move Lindgren to keep Chychrun in a heartbeat.


Oh yea, lets just strip a pairing that has been working perfectly. One of the best in the league. Yea. Green grass. You should be the Rangers GM bro.
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Oh yea, lets just strip a pairing that has been working perfectly. One of the best in the league. Yea. Green grass. You should be the Rangers GM bro.


You seriously don’t think Chych/Fox would be better?

Don’t get me wrong, love Lindgren and the pairing but for 1.6M more and more term I’m not even questioning it.. I think most people would agree with me on that
19 déc. 2021 à 23 h 57
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You seriously don’t think Chych/Fox would be better?

Don’t get me wrong, love Lindgren and the pairing but for 1.6M more and more term I’m not even questioning it.. I think most people would agree with me on that


Because 1.6m when you have no cap space is a player needed to be resigned.

Wouldnt Panarin and Zib be better together on a line? And yet for some reason they arent and its Strome that has all the chemistry. You dont want to mess with a good thing.
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20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 1
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Because 1.6m when you have no cap space is a player needed to be resigned.


When the teams D is Chych/Fox, Miller/Trouba, Jones/Schneider and shesty in net and you’re being signed to play with Bread. You’re taking 1.6m less and adding term. Kadri, Pavelski, Bergeron, Strome, and others are all hitting the market. I wouldn’t be concerned with 1.6m when you upgrade the D like that
20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 7
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When the teams D is Chych/Fox, Miller/Trouba, Jones/Schneider and shesty in net and you’re being signed to play with Bread. You’re taking 1.6m less and adding term. Kadri, Pavelski, Bergeron, Strome, and others are all hitting the market. I wouldn’t be concerned with 1.6m when you upgrade the D like that


But you cant sign any of them. You literally have no 2C.
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But you cant sign any of them. You literally have no 2C.


Man.

Fleury money goes to fulfill Fox deal
Kessel money goes to fulfill Zibby deal
Lindgren money gives Kakkoand Gaut raises
The 2C can get the Strome money, let’s say Pavelski takes 4m x 4 years
20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 27
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Man.

Fleury money goes to fulfill Fox deal
Kessel money goes to fulfill Zibby deal
Lindgren money gives Kakkoand Gaut raises
The 2C can get the Strome money, let’s say Pavelski takes 4m x 4 years


First of all, Pavelski is still playing superstar level hockey, hes not taking a cheap deal. Secondly, he already said he doesnt want to leave Dallas.
I dont know what imaginary thing youre making up in your mind for the 2022-23 season, but I can assure you, it will cripple us more than strengthen us.
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20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 30
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Thank God you're not the Rangers GM
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First of all, Pavelski is still playing superstar level hockey, hes not taking a cheap deal. Secondly, he already said he doesnt want to leave Dallas.
I dont know what imaginary thing youre making up in your mind for the 2022-23 season, but I can assure you, it will cripple us more than strengthen us.


Players always say they don’t want to leave a place that they are likely about to be traded from due to UFA. Regardless of how he is playing and I know he’s playing well, he is old and at the end of his career. He isn’t going to get 6M for anything more than a year and with the flat cap it’s still unlikely unless it’s a bottom team that needs to spend. With us he has a chance to win which is why he went to Dal in the first place and they have regressed. If you’re 37/38 and looking to win a cup. Are you signing that 4m deal on a contender or looking for 6m in BUF/ARZ? If you’re trying to win a cup today, you worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes. Maybe you missed what Champa bay did with their cap issues. Trades/buyouts may need to happen as 2 years passes, that’s not todays worries. If we won a cup this year would you really care if we were just really competitive for the next 6?
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Thank God you're not the Rangers GM


Do you have issue with the value or concerned about 2 years from now? If it’s the latter then it’s not todays problem.
20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 46
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Do you have issue with the value or concerned about 2 years from now? If it’s the latter then it’s not todays problem.


Do you realize the team is 19-7-4 so far this year? Do you realize they have an oversupply of good, young defenseman on the team now and down in Hartford, and that they don't need (nor can afford) another defenseman. Do you realize how old Kessel is and how fairly useless he is 5v5? They need a longer term solution at RW in the top 6, so a Kessel rental is CRAZY. For 2 players they don't need, you want to give 4 first round players/pick plus two other pieces. The entire trade is crazy.....IMO.
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Players always say they don’t want to leave a place that they are likely about to be traded from due to UFA. Regardless of how he is playing and I know he’s playing well, he is old and at the end of his career. He isn’t going to get 6M for anything more than a year and with the flat cap it’s still unlikely unless it’s a bottom team that needs to spend. With us he has a chance to win which is why he went to Dal in the first place and they have regressed. If you’re 37/38 and looking to win a cup. Are you signing that 4m deal on a contender or looking for 6m in BUF/ARZ? If you’re trying to win a cup today, you worry about tomorrow when tomorrow comes. Maybe you missed what Champa bay did with their cap issues. Trades/buyouts may need to happen as 2 years passes, that’s not todays worries. If we won a cup this year would you really care if we were just really competitive for the next 6?


Using the flat cap as a reason for top players to not get paid is ridiculous. Did you think with a flat cap defensemen would be getting 9m to 9.5m per year extensions in this financial climate?
Yea, sure Pavelski, IF Dallas is out of the playoff hunt may get traded as a rental, but he will go back to Dallas in the off-season.
You can say whatever you want to try to legitimize and convince yourself of whatever youre coming up with in your head. You are not Joe Pavelski, and I can assure you he will do what is best for him and his family first.
20 déc. 2021 à 0 h 53
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Do you realize the team is 19-7-4 so far this year? Do you realize they have an oversupply of good, young defenseman on the team now and down in Hartford, and that they don't need (nor can afford) another defenseman. Do you realize how old Kessel is and how fairly useless he is 5v5? They need a longer term solution at RW in the top 6, so a Kessel rental is CRAZY. For 2 players they don't need, you want to give 4 first round players/pick plus two other pieces. The entire trade is crazy.....IMO.


If theyre gonna make a push for the cup, a RW rental isnt a bad idea. Kessel could probably be had on the cheap, however he is not who I would target.
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Do you realize the team is 19-7-4 so far this year? Do you realize they have an oversupply of good, young defenseman on the team now and down in Hartford, and that they don't need (nor can afford) another defenseman. Do you realize how old Kessel is and how fairly useless he is 5v5? They need a longer term solution at RW in the top 6, so a Kessel rental is CRAZY. For 2 players they don't need, you want to give 4 first round players/pick plus two other pieces. The entire trade is crazy.....IMO.


You realize how good Chych is? And the contract he has? He would be our 2nd best D man at 4.6 instead of 8-9 he should be making. Kessel is just a rental and there’s not much going for his return. The 4 1st are for Chych which is close to the asking price since Kravs is worth closer to a 2nd now. And the move actually helps us bring those young D up while improving the back end. Long term having to move Lindgren and having fox, chych, trouba, Miller, Jones, Schneider as our 6 seems rather amazing to me. I know what our record is, I’m not complaining about the GM or the team.
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If theyre gonna make a push for the cup, a RW rental isnt a bad idea. Kessel could probably be had on the cheap, however he is not who I would target.


Who else do you have in mind for RW?
20 déc. 2021 à 1 h 0
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If theyre gonna make a push for the cup, a RW rental isnt a bad idea. Kessel could probably be had on the cheap, however he is not who I would target.


Is it realistic to expect a team that has been rebuilding for the past 3 to 4 seasons, that hasn't made the playoffs recently, to contend for the Cup? Of course they want to win it, but isn't making the playoffs a big step for them? Then winning a round or two would be big, no? I'm all for pushing to try to win a cup, but NOT at the expense of trading away young players they spent the last 3 to 4 years acquiring. That would make no sense. They did a rebuild to BUILD a long term contender and maybe win multiple cups down the road, not to shoot for one year just because they are off to a good start.
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You realize how good Chych is? And the contract he has? He would be our 2nd best D man at 4.6 instead of 8-9 he should be making. Kessel is just a rental and there’s not much going for his return. The 4 1st are for Chych which is close to the asking price since Kravs is worth closer to a 2nd now. And the move actually helps us bring those young D up while improving the back end. Long term having to move Lindgren and having fox, chych, trouba, Miller, Jones, Schneider as our 6 seems rather amazing to me. I know what our record is, I’m not complaining about the GM or the team.


They have Fox/Lindgren, Trouba/Miller, Nils Lundqvist, Zac Jones, Braiden Schneider, and Matthew Robertson. Schneider is the real deal and Nils seems to be coming along. They have so many quality, young defenseman they will have no choice but to trade some away in the near future. There is ZERO need to add another D no matter how good he is. They need top 6 help in the short term, and Kessel ain't it. He is terrible 5v5 and his defense stinks. He is good on the PP but they already have a good PP unit with no space for him.
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