Gorton moves based on early NYR tenure

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Créé par: ricochetii

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Date de création initiale: 10 déc. 2021

Publié: 13 déc. 2021

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These are some of the earlier moves in Gorton's NYR tenure. Just a snapshot of some types of trades. Exact value exchanged and teams/players involved can be adjusted. I think we can look forward to some more "meaty" movements, instead of tinkering on the fringes of the roster and unreasonable dollars invested in depth over top end talent.

1. Etem for Jensen (+ a 6th)
A swap of 1st rounders. They were later in the round picks that never really worked out, but I could see him taking a similar swing with more promising players. The LA trade is just one such example.

2. 4th for Nick Holden
Spending low picks on players cherry picked from other prospect pools, is something you just don't see enough of. Montreal has been sitting on poor RHD depth, and there are definitely RHD out there. Puutio is a 5th round pick who should at least be good enough for the AHL and go from there.

3. Brassard (+7th) for Zibanejad (+2nd)
More established player for an up-and-comer. Dube likely doesn't surpass Toffoli, but this is just an example.

4. Brendan Smith for 2nd + 3rd
Grabbing an available D man with some experience and good years left, as opposed to picking D men in the draft that are a few years out.

5. DeAngelo (+ 1st) for Stepan and Raanta
Simply selling off players for a decent return. Again, an example of a type of trade. Obviously there would need to be some cap juggling if Drouin and Allen were traded to Pittsburgh. There may also be similar trades that make sense with other teams.

Transactions

MTL

Vilardi, Gabriel

LAK

Caufield, Cole

MTL

Puutio, Kasper [Liste de réserve]

FLA

Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (TBL)

MTL

Dubé, Dillon
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CGY)

CGY

Toffoli, Tyler
Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (STL)

MTL

Dunn, Vince

SEA

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ANA)

MTL

Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PIT)

PIT

MTL

UFA's sold off this year.

ARI

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 1 958 333 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
26	81 500 000 $	65 381 727 $	597 561 $	2 237 500 $	16 118 273 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hoffman, Mike 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (537 500 $$538K) C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
Dubé, Dillon 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ AG, AD, C RFA - 3	Dvorak, Christian 4 450 000 $4 450 000 $ C UFA - 4	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 6
Poehling, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Vilardi, Gabriel 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD, C RFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse 880 833 $880 833 $ AD, AG RFA - 2
	Evans, Jake 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Armia, Joel 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Lehkonen, Artturi 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Dauphin, Laurent 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1	Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 3	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 5
Romanov, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (637 500 $$638K) DG RFA - 1	Dunn, Vince 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
Clague, Kale 761 250 $761 250 $ DG/DD RFA - 1	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Montembeault, Samuel 750 000 $750 000 $ G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 863 333 $863 333 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 1	Niku, Sami 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Schueneman, Corey 750 000 $750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 5

13 déc. 2021 à 2 h 2

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I like the LA trade for both sides.

Don't see any incentive there for Seattle tho. Pittsburgh doesnt seem like they're gonna be trading picks any more.

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13 déc. 2021 à 2 h 39

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I like the LA trade for both sides.

Don't see any incentive there for Seattle tho. Pittsburgh doesnt seem like they're gonna be trading picks any more.

Any alternative ideas?
Trying to keep close to the original trades, but it might take something else for Seattle to replace one of the picks.
I understand Pittsburgh maybe not trading picks, but this could be their last hurrah with Malkin and Letang. Again though, this is just one example.

13 déc. 2021 à 3 h 21

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Quoting: ricochetii

Dunn is their highest upside defenseman. Last year many mock trades were north of a first, and that was when STL was rumored to be selling him. His value is higher now IMO. First + Romanov or First + Norlinder is likely their ask. Maybe they'll do a different D spec if a 2nd is added.

I don't see a deal with PIT unless its for Zucker 1 for 1.

13 déc. 2021 à 8 h 5

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I like the LA trade for both sides.

I know you're not the biggest Caufield fan on earth, but most MTL fans wouldn't do the deal.

Vilardi is too much of a question mark given his head-injury issues. Caufield looks like the real deal, he's flying on the ice and is always in a shooting good spot (but the system prefers Petry's weak point shots over having a lethal shooter constantly on the PP). He's just given worse opportunities to succeed than 26 year-olds AHL call-ups for some reason.

13 déc. 2021 à 9 h 45

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Perhaps Dunn is the wrong target then. The 2nd and 3rd will be early in their respective rounds, but point taken.

Zucker just doesn't work. That's a completely different trade from the example. Has to be a pick and prospect at least.

Quoting: SevenLeg

While I can agree, there may be a trade out there to move Caufield for a similarly valued Center. Doesn't have to be Vilardi.

13 déc. 2021 à 10 h 3

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Quoting: SevenLeg

Kings fan chiming in here really quick, value of the trade put aside.

I'm not sure where this misinformation is coming from, since you're the second person I've had to correct. Post-draft, Gabe Vilardi has not had any head injury or concussion issues that I can recall.

Everything he has missed time for since becoming an LA King in 2017 has been related to a back injury. It is not chronic, nor prone to re-injury like a concussion, and he has since recovered fully from it.

It would be like saying that a team wouldn't want to trade for Toffoli after his surgery on his hand because they were worried about concussion issues.

Just an FYI.

13 déc. 2021 à 10 h 16

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Quoting: PuckLuck_77

You have to remember US West Coast are hardly covered here in Eastern Canada. So that's my bad.

It doesn't change my perception on the trade though. I wouldn't trade Caufield for Vilardi.

13 déc. 2021 à 10 h 21

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Quoting: SevenLeg

You have to remember US West Coast are hardly covered here in Eastern Canada. So that's my bad.

It doesn't change my perception on the trade though. I wouldn't trade Caufield for Vilardi.

Ha. It's hard to forget that the West coast isn't covered all that much in places east of Vegas.....

And no worries, I was just trying to inform, not sound indignant

That's why I said value of the trade aside (I think there'd have to be something more going to MTL, not sure what though)

Edit: East of Vegas. And other grammatical errors. I need my morning caffeine.

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13 déc. 2021 à 12 h 7

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Any trade with Pittsburgh has to be dollar for dollar.

13 déc. 2021 à 12 h 10

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Quoting: brgh4life

Any trade with Pittsburgh has to be dollar for dollar.

Yes. They may have to make another move and/or Montreal may need to retain. I'm just trying to approximate pieces exchanged.

13 déc. 2021 à 12 h 17

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Yes. They may have to make another move and/or Montreal may need to retain. I'm just trying to approximate pieces exchanged.

Well Hextall has already said his top prospects and picks are off limits unless it is for young cost controlled players, so I just don't see this as a logical fit for Pittsburgh.

13 déc. 2021 à 13 h 10

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Quoting: brgh4life

Well Hextall has already said his top prospects and picks are off limits unless it is for young cost controlled players, so I just don't see this as a logical fit for Pittsburgh.

My reasoning was that this is Pittsburgh's last run with some of their players. Do you really hold back this year, or do you go all in one last time?

13 déc. 2021 à 13 h 50

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My reasoning was that this is Pittsburgh's last run with some of their players. Do you really hold back this year, or do you go all in one last time?

Yah, you do, but Drouin isn't an "all in" type of player. He has 13 goals over the last 3 seasons combined. Not worth a 1st rounder.

6 mars 2022 à 19 h 47

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That caufield trade....
Toffoli got more than that...
Man, you set your expectations very low,

6 mars 2022 à 20 h 5

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

That caufield trade....
Toffoli got more than that...
Man, you set your expectations very low,

These are comparables of trades that Gorton actually made in NY. Nothing to do with my expectations, just getting a feel for what kinds of deals the new GM looks at.
The outlook has changed with the addition of Hughes' feedback since then as well.

At least read the description ...

These are some of the earlier moves in Gorton's NYR tenure. Just a snapshot of some types of trades. Exact value exchanged and teams/players involved can be adjusted. I think we can look forward to some more "meaty" movements, instead of tinkering on the fringes of the roster and unreasonable dollars invested in depth over top end talent.

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6 mars 2022 à 20 h 13

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Quoting: ricochetii

What's the comparable of caufield for vilardi?

6 mars 2022 à 20 h 31

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

What's the comparable of caufield for vilardi?

That's in the description too.

1. Etem for Jensen (+ a 6th)
A swap of 1st rounders. They were later in the round picks that never really worked out, but I could see him taking a similar swing with more promising players. The LA trade is just one such example.

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