Is he tha5 bad

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The new gm

Which move is bad?

Vancouver reject Pittsburgh trade

Im not so sure we do. Marino is a top 4 RD on a reasonable contract. He is good defensively, moves the puck decently and chips in with a few points. Boeser is going to be owed minimum 7.5 million which he is not worth. He's not a complete write off but I am very worried about the way he moves on the ice. He looks so slow and stiff. Can't shoot anymore. I'd much rather try to keep Miller and trade Boeser for a RD.

I think Pittsburgh rejects it as well. Boeser due a large raise, Pittsburgh has little cap room. Marino is the only RD on contract next season that is an NHL regular. Doesn't seem like a fit for either team.

Buffalo doesn't consider.

Myers does not cost that much to dump even without salary retention. Heck, I would argue he's not even a negative trade chip

How is that not a perfect fit for Van

You watch him play much? He def has negative value. No question about it. At 2.5-3 he'd be ok but you'd also let him walk the moment he got to FA. At 4 mil he still needs an asset to get rid of.

I watch him play every game he's in the lineup, he's definitely not a shutdown defenseman, but he's not a complete liability in the defensive zone. He can block shots, has a long reach, can knock other players off the puck, he's still capable of penalty killing even if he isn't a go-to option for those special teams. He's very good at moving the puck though, for some reason everybody overlooks that aspect about his game, his greatest strength. I assure you, Vancouver's blueline would not be the same without Myers, even if he has questionable trade value. Myers at a $3-4 million dollar cap hit in my opinion would be an absolute steal and his trade value would be very high. The $6 million against the cap certainly stifles his trade value, but I don't think it's enough to turn him into a negative asset. Heck, for the right return, I'm sure the Canucks would gladly retain salary on him

He is so prone to giveaways and he takes so many penalties. At times you can sort be like "wow he made a nice turn and pass there" but in totality he is a major reason why the Canucks defense is so bad. Could he play as a 5th dman? maybe but i honestly still wouldnt want a player that unpredictable playing defense for me in the playoffs. If he has the puck on his stick for more than 1 or 2 seconds you can visibly see the panic in him starting to grow. At 6 mil for 2 more seasons after this no team in the league is trading for that. As I say in my opinion get him down to 3 mil and he is even value but the moment he hits FA you let him walk still and don't feel a noticeable drop in play. Realistically he is a 6 or 7 on a good team. Put him on the 2011 team and he is a healthy scratch. 8th dman on that team. I think as Canucks fans we are just so used to piss poor defenders over the last decade or so.

Myers doesn't take that many penalties actually, it sounds like your head is still stuck in the bubble, and I have no idea where you are coming from when you say Myers is prone to giveaways always looks like he's panicking after holding onto the puck for a couple of seconds, I personally don't see him give the puck away very often. Vancouver's lackluster defense over the Benning era has been primarily a personnel issue, and was an issue well before Myers joined the team, he hasn't exacerbated the problem anymore than it already was. I'd say Myers is a 4th or 5th D-man on most teams, sometimes you don't really know what a player is until you see them playing in more than one environment. Look, Vancouver just made a coaching change, so let's just see what that does for his game going forward. I think many teams would happily take a flyer on Myers and the Canucks would happily consider retaining salary under the right conditions

When you pay a guy 6 mil you are expecting him to be a top pairing or a very worst 3rd dman. So to say he hasn't exacerbated the Canucks defensive issues it is misleading. His 6 mil is huge overpayment for a player whos production is awful. His contract represents the biggest reason the Canucks defense is as bad as it is, that is to say he is the most overpaid player. As for him panicking, watch him closely when his first pass option is taken away how he responds, you can often see him physically tense up as he starts running out of options.
Here are some numbers for you to admire. He is literally in the worst percentile of the entire league for projected WAR%
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Like I say no one will just take him off our hands barring a JIm Benning type of fuddy duddy GM have a brain fart which is pie in the sky. If and its a big if we can get rid of him it's going to be retained with an asset and I am all for that.

He doesn't have awful production, he puts up just fine numbers offensively, and I still think he's good enough to be a 4th D-man, maybe not a 3rd, I'll give you that. He was actually good in his first season with Vancouver, but then the covid season completely screwed up his and everyone else's analytics, but that ship has sailed, Travis Green is gone, so I'm not going to judge anybody's analytics from the latter half of the Travis Green era. I think every player on Vancouver actually is going to start looking better than they have going forward, especially Myers, in fact, Myers has had good games this season, I truly believe the problem has mostly been the system he's been playing in not being very effective

These days, elite defenseman get paid $7+ million per season, and I don't think Myers was brought on by Benning to be an elite defenseman, just a solid top 4 offensive minded guy. I've seen Myers play plenty, and I know the hate he gets is blown way out of proportion. There's a reason he never got put in the same conversation as the likes of Beagle, Roussel, and Eriksson

Well now you just changed your whole argument from he is good to 'well he is bad but that because of the system" and you are expecting him to be better. Which is just an opinion and I would posit wishful thinking. When you give out a 30 million dollar contract you are expected to be a big piece of the team. So ya he is overpaid and on top of that one of the worst defensive players in the whole league as the data shows. He's not Beagle bad but he is a 5-6th dman eating up a huge chunk of money in a hard cap era. As I say he's the no.1 reason the Canucks defense sucks and its not even close. If you think the Canucks defense sucks as everyone does you can't look at anyone before Myers. That is why it will cost us to get rid of him.

Definitely not a 6th defenseman, more like a 4 or 5 defenseman. Canucks have been a very good 5 on 5 team this season, no one can deny that, it's their special teams that have struggled, I don't know how you can say the team's defense sucks when they are one of the best teams at even strength. Hughes, Ekman-Larsson, Hamonic, Poolman, Schenn, and Kyle Burroughs have all settled in pretty well as part of that blueline, yeah, it's not a particularly deep blueline but I truly think it's holding down the fort. You're right, there is some wishful thinking on my end about changing coaches, but just about everybody looked bad under Green's system, and as Stan Smyl said, there is no more "finger pointing" to be had, the problem doesn't lie with any one particular player

If Myers was as bad as some people say he is, he would have been put on waivers and cleared weeks ago, but the team didn't waive him, and I think that's saying something

Obv special teams and the PK is the biggest issue and that is largely because they only have one LD would can kill penalties in OEL and obv the right side has guys but they all struggle defensively. The other problem is they all struggle in transition with the exception of Hughes and OEL which is why the Canucks are the worst team in the league at creating off the rush and why most of our forwards are underachieving.

What would putting Myers on waivers achieve? He'd clear with question and then he'd be in the minors and we'd save 1.3 against the cap. For what? A cap hit of 4.7 to play in Abbotsford is much worse thatn 6 and he plays. He is an NHL player. He is just paid too much. And is in a role that he should never have been put in. Given a contract he never should have received.

Lol, if the Canucks are still the worst team at creating off of the rush, it's not going to stay that way for long. 3-0 under Boudreau! And that rhymes!!

Nobody is saying Myers's contract is great, but the truth is most players signed out of UFA status don't get inked to good value contracts because of how much leverage they have. And if you think all of Vancouver's right-handed D-men struggle defensively, I'm sorry man, but you are way out of touch with the times in Vancouver

UFAs have leverage if they're good. The worst part about the Myers signing is no one else was interested and we still have him money and term. Every fan in BC new it was a mistake the moment it was signed. He's been exactly as advertised. That's why the signing was so perplexing. Hamonic you could call average defensively, Myers as we've seen is amongst the worst the league, beyond that you have Schenn, Burroughs or Poolman are good defensive players? That won't take long to disprove. Quite frankly I'm a little shocked they've passed your eye test. I think you need to get with the the standard of the rest of the league.

They squeaked out the last two games. Clearly the defense is the problem on this team what are you even arguing at this point?