You should a sentence that says he scored 48 points over his career without McDavid. Which leaves 448 points scored with him. Your proof benefits my argument more than it does yours.
But MacKinnon plays with Rantanen and Landeskog all the time. Does Leon get to play on his line every time?
And look at Landeskogs stats prior to MacKinnons explosion. Also Rantanen got injured and it made zero difference for MacKinnon and Rantanen has been around a 60 point player while not playing with MacKinnon. So who makes it all happen there?
You should a sentence that says he scored 48 points over his career without McDavid. Which leaves 448 points scored with him. Your proof benefits my argument more than it does yours.
It means he played 48 games without McDavid and got 48 points in those games .
Taking a quick look at who is above Draisaitl. Oh it's McDavid. Draisaitl just hasn't ever proven he can produce long term without McDavid. Every year he goes stretches where he doesn't produce and then they put them together when they need offence because the team has none beyond those two. He gets a huge proportion of his points on the PP and that is with McDavid and close to half of his even strength points come with McDavid on the ice with him. If he could produce this much without him, Edmonton wouldn't have a problem scoring enough to win but they do. They have 2 players who can put up big points but only one that can do it no matter who he is with. McDavid produced with Kassian on his wing for crying out loud. Draisaitl can't and hasn't been able to put up near the same points without McDavid as McDavid does without Draisaitl.
I'm not going to argue this any more with you because no amount of data is going to change your biased mind... so I'll just say this: the Art Ross race (which is what we're talking about, remember?) does not exclude powerplay points or points-with-McDavid. So all of your nefarious arguments are moot anyhow. Draisaitl is the league's #2 point-getter even if you think those points don't count for as much as another players points. Not once in the past 3 years has MacKinnon finished above Draisaitl in the Art Ross race, despite playing with a far better cast of players.
It means he played 48 games without McDavid and got 48 points in those games .
And I would wager the majority was during that one heater in 2019 when McDavid got hurt. There is a reason why almost every game these guys play together at even strength and it's not because it creates matchup problems. Draisaitl regularly goes dry at even strength away from McDavid and they end up needing a goal in the 3rd so they put them together. To deny it is just silly at this point. Be happy with what you have, blowing it out of proportion just makes you look silly.
And look at Landeskogs stats prior to MacKinnons explosion. Also Rantanen got injured and it made zero difference for MacKinnon and Rantanen has been around a 60 point player while not playing with MacKinnon. So who makes it all happen there?
So, Draisaitl got 12 points in his first 5 games without McD when he was injured. So he played better without McD
I'm not going to argue this any more with you because no amount of data is going to change your biased mind... so I'll just say this: the Art Ross race (which is what we're talking about, remember?) does not exclude powerplay points or points-with-McDavid. So all of your nefarious arguments are moot anyhow. Draisaitl is the league's #2 point-getter even if you think those points don't count for as much as another players points. Not once in the past 3 years has MacKinnon finished above Draisaitl in the Art Ross race, despite playing with a far better cast of players.
And I would wager the majority was during that one heater in 2019 when McDavid got hurt. There is a reason why almost every game these guys play together at even strength and it's not because it creates matchup problems. Draisaitl regularly goes dry at even strength away from McDavid and they end up needing a goal in the 3rd so they put them together. To deny it is just silly at this point. Be happy with what you have, blowing it out of proportion just makes you look silly.
Last season, Most of the time, They both played on different lines at even strength and Draisaitl has loads of them more than MacK
I'm not going to argue this any more with you because no amount of data is going to change your biased mind... so I'll just say this: the Art Ross race (which is what we're talking about, remember?) does not exclude powerplay points or points-with-McDavid. So all of your nefarious arguments are moot anyhow. Draisaitl is the league's #2 point-getter even if you think those points don't count for as much as another players points. Not once in the past 3 years has MacKinnon finished above Draisaitl in the Art Ross race, despite playing with a far better cast of players.
No one on the earth plays with better players than Draisaitl. This is the point. Take him away from McDavid for a full season in Edmonton and I doubt he gets a point a game. That is the point. I am certain if you took MacKinnon out of Colorado. Rantanen doesn't score a point a game.
I am also going to stop arguing with you because I've realized I cannot change your biased mind. I'll end with this: Draisaitl is a offensive stud and better than MacK offensively and McD is not the reason why. Drai has proved he can be a superstar without Connor and is certainly able to put up with his current paces without COnnor while MacK is still not better than Drai offensively besides having players like Landeskog, Rantanen and even Makar with him in even strength and PP
So, Draisaitl got 12 points in his first 5 games without McD when he was injured. So he played better without McD
5 games man. Building statues for small sample sizes is dumb. Yamamoto was supposed to be a point a game star now you guys think he should be 2.5 million for 6 years.
I am also going to stop arguing with you because I've realized I cannot change your biased mind. I'll end with this: Draisaitl is a offensive stud and better than MacK offensively and McD is not the reason why. Drai has proved he can be a superstar without Connor and is certainly able to put up with his current paces without COnnor while MacK is still not better than Drai offensively besides having players like Landeskog, Rantanen and even Makar with him in even strength and PP
He hasn't proven it. Unless you use 5 game sample sizes. Over his career, he broke out playing with McDavid. He scores most of his points (more than half is most) with McDavid on the ice. To deny McDavid the impact he has on Draisaitl is disrespecting McDavid. He's the best player in the world and Draisaitl isn't in his sphere. He just benefits from it.
No one on the earth plays with better players than Draisaitl. This is the point. Take him away from McDavid for a full season in Edmonton and I doubt he gets a point a game. That is the point. I am certain if you took MacKinnon out of Colorado. Rantanen doesn't score a point a game.
If you took Rantanen and Landeskog out of Colarado, MacKinnon doesn't reach a point-per game
No one on the earth plays with better players than Draisaitl. This is the point. Take him away from McDavid for a full season in Edmonton and I doubt he gets a point a game. That is the point. I am certain if you took MacKinnon out of Colorado. Rantanen doesn't score a point a game.
Last season, Most of the time, They both played on different lines at even strength and Draisaitl has loads of them more than MacK
The majority of Draisaitl's points come with McDavid on the ice. No one in the league plays with someone as good offensively as McDavid. Put MacKinnon on the ice with McDavid and he'd put up better numbers than Draisaitl does. Put Matthews with McDavid and he'd score 100 goals. We know what these guys can do without McDavid and it's still insane but what has Draisaitl done? Well he keeps getting major minutes with McDavid and the majority of his points when he's on the ice with McDavid. If he could produce like MacKinnon or Matthews or Barkov of any other top player in the game, he's never be on the ice with McDavid. It just doesn't happen and there is a reason for it. Again though, no one is saying Draisaitl sucks, he just isn't as good as other guys. He's not a full fledged franchise centre who can carry a team. Those are very rare, I think there may only be 10 of them currently. Maybe not even that many. Draisaitl is still extremely good and is an all-star. Just settle down on the he's better than everyone but McDavid nonsense. He just isn't that good.
If you took Rantanen and Landeskog out of Colarado, MacKinnon doesn't reach a point-per game
He absolutely does. He has done it when Rantanen missed time. He's done it with Kerfoot on his wing. He just flat out does it. Belittling MacKinnon to lift up Draisaitl is just flat out ridiculous. I suppose Matthews wouldn't be a point a game without Marner, who wouldn't he a point a game without Matthews as well. So would McDavid not be a point a game player without Draisaitl? Of course not, he's a hundred point player with me on his wing. And I am terrible.
Oiler fans want to hold Draisaitl up so badly, they **** talk their own team to prove how much better he is than he actually is. Nurse and Barrie are Allstars unless this is the argument then they suck. Yamamoto is going to be a super great unless it's time to talk salary or to prove how amazing Draisaitl is. This is the same stuff that happened when the Leafs won the north. Guys like you say all Canadian teams suck because it's easier to swallow than admitting TO is good. McDavid is less than he is because it means Draisaitl is better than people say. Insanity
Oiler fans want to hold Draisaitl up so badly, they **** talk their own team to prove how much better he is than he actually is. Nurse and Barrie are Allstars unless this is the argument then they suck. Yamamoto is going to be a super great unless it's time to talk salary or to prove how amazing Draisaitl is. This is the same stuff that happened when the Leafs won the north. Guys like you say all Canadian teams suck because it's easier to swallow than admitting TO is good. McDavid is less than he is because it means Draisaitl is better than people say. Insanity
He absolutely does. He has done it when Rantanen missed time. He's done it with Kerfoot on his wing. He just flat out does it. Belittling MacKinnon to lift up Draisaitl is just flat out ridiculous. I suppose Matthews wouldn't be a point a game without Marner, who wouldn't he a point a game without Matthews as well. So would McDavid not be a point a game player without Draisaitl? Of course not, he's a hundred point player with me on his wing. And I am terrible.
Yea, Rantanen misses 4 games and you yourself said that was too little to prove himself
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