And I'm looking at the Stralman deal.



Ghost and Johnson can still play NHL hockey.

Duncan Keith is a former playoff MVP and Stanley Cup winner who still plays over 20 minutes a night.

I have no idea why you're bringing Keith into this conversation



Komarov is a player that was placed on waivers by the Islanders this season 3 times.

He went unclaimed all 3 times.

Hickey has only played 5 NHL games in the last 2 and a half years.

There is a world where Leo + Hickey cost more to move than Tyler Johnson and it is this one.



What you and linehan10 seem to be completely ignoring about Leo and Hickey is this:



They are two separate players.

They have two separate contracts on the books.

They are two separate cap dumps.

They take up two separate roster spots that can go to two other players.

That is not the case with Ladd, Ghost, Johnson or Keith.




With that said, it is more than fair to use the dumping of Stralman as a template for dumping Leo + Hickey.

You may pay Ottawa either of the following to dump Leo + Hickey:



1. Two second round picks


2. The equivalent of two second round picks.

A second round pick + a player that was recently drafted in the second round is one example.


3. Something greater than the equivalent of two second round picks.


Thank you and have a nice day

Winning the Stanley Cup.

It's the concept for the other 30 teams in the NHL besides the Isles and the Sens.



But thank you for pivoting from your unjust and unfair compensation of two cap dumps to something completely off topic.

What are we going to talk about next?

why does Canada suck

Why are you unable to make a fair trade with Ottawa when you can make one with Nashville?

it’s one (1) year of cap space that you aren’t using anyway and you’re disappointed that you’re only getting one second round pick. This is why the senators are bad

You're also asking us to take up 2 roster spots when they can go to 2 other players that are more deserving of it.



The "Stralman dump" involves taking up the same amount of cap space over the same amount of time.

Cap space that Arizona wasn't going to use anyway.

Florida had to pay a second round pick and a player that was a second round pick recently.

Therefore, my ask for the equivalent of two seconds is fair.

Especially since we are receiving two cap dumps instead of one.



If it was fair for the Panthers, it will be fair for the Islanders.

However, you think fairness doesn't apply to you or your team when it comes to cap dumps.

Too bad :/

This is why you probably preferred Mike Milbury as GM of the Islanders

This is why the Islanders under new management will just let the contracts of Leo + Hickey run their course.

The islanders have the best general manager in the league.

Thank you for making my point.

Lmao he went unclaimed bc he has negative value no doubt but he also just played LW1 for a team that went to game 7 of the ECFs.
Plus since they're 2 different players if you wanted to bury them it would be 3.25 in dead cap instead of 4.375. As for ladd he also hasnt played many NHL games recently so that would be a good comparison wouldn't it?

1. Ottawa probably won't go to Game 7 of the ECFs this season, even with Komarov on the team.

So that point is pretty much irrelevant.



2. If I wanted to bury them, I can't play them on the big club.

So that point is pretty much irrelevant too.



3. Dumping Ladd will likely cost you more than two seconds if you look a little closer at the trade.

The better comparison would be Stralman IMO.

1. If Leo still plays (which he does proof being look at the team that made the ECFs last year) then why is ghostisbehere and Johnson a bad comparison?

2. It was another option that worked in your favor (considering you said a difference between them and TJ/SG is that those guys play NHL hockey) it was either or. Or it gives you the best of both worlds. Bury the 1.125 (hickey) and still get the player (leo) which by stralman you can't do you have to pick either bury him or play him.

3. Ladds knees aren't going to be in any shape to play even 1 game. And even if they do, you want half a 3rd also, thats something else. Unlike asking to double the market value return.

The 2nd for stralman is 2024 that’s 3 years away and whoever they make with that pick likely won’t have any impact until 6-7 years from now.

You should be telling linehan10 and UBS_Arena that.

1. Why is Stralman a bad comparison?


2. Or maybe you can just ride out the Komarov/Hickey contracts and this entire conversation can be moot.

Money doesn't grow on trees.


3. I didn't bring Ladd into this conversation.

You did.

This is one of the most confusing and irrelevant posts.

1. Hes not a bad comparison, but when you have a lot of cap dumps, choosing the most expensive one and saying thats the market value is just ignorant.

2. We were literally talking about moving them out. I could also keep Barzal whats your point?

3.


So I was saying that 2 2nds and potentially 1 3rd for 2 years of ladd doesnt equate to 2 2nds for 1 year of hickey+komarov. If you charged 1 2nd and half a potential 3rd for them that would be a different story.

1. Sometimes, I don't understand what the market value is or if there even is one.

Arizona got one second for the "Ghost dump" while they got essentially two seconds for the "Stralman dump".

Ghost's contract has two years left while Stralman has only one.

Wouldn't Arizona want more from Philly when they wanted to dump Ghost?



2. We were talking about moving out Komarov/Hickey because linehan10 made a post about it.

My point is teams like mine will want maximum compensation for taking on two separate cap dumps.

That's why Lou Lamiorello will just ride out their contracts until they're off the books.



3. Another point I'm trying to make is that dumping Hickey + Komarov is closer in comparison to dumping Stralman than it is to dumping Ladd.



4. As of right now, the Islanders have 12 million in cap space just sitting around.

12 million with Nick Leddy and Andrew Ladd now gone.

Beauvillier and Sororkin are the only NHL-level RFAs on the Islanders that still need extensions.

The incentive to pay even more prospects and picks to create more cap space just isn't there anymore.

Plus they have to fill a spot at RW and LD2. Beau and ilya will cost ~7.5 so they dont have a lot of space left for the other guys.

1. Any NHL team, or any sports team for that matter, is going to help themselves before they help others.

It's just a fact of life.

Ottawa needs a #1 or #2 centreman and a more competent RD to play with Chabot.

It's not like some other team is just going to give one to us.



2. One point of mine that wasn't really refuted much as some of my others was the point that Komarov and Hickey are two separate cap dumps.

If we take them, then that means two separate roster spots will be taken from two other players more deserving of them.

Whether it's on the Ottawa Senators or the Belleville Senators in the AHL.

I don't think Melnyk would be a fan of Hickey/Komarov making millions of dollars off of him while they're playing in Belleville as far as I'm concerned.



3. It's pretty obvious that there is an impasse here.

My suggestion would be to sign Beauvillier and Sororkin and then figure out what to do next.

It would allow you to see if Hickey/Komarov truly need to be dumped or if the Islanders can just ride their contracts out until they come off the books.

Bro hickey and Komarov would be top 10 players on that team like relax

Top 10 players?

Sure :/

The thing about Leo and hickey is this. Leo is owed I think under 2 million in real dollars (W for melnyk) and a hickey buyout is ~850k for 2 years.

1. The thing about Leo and Hickey is this.


Leo may cost under 2 million US Dollars but the # is closer to 2 million in Canadian Dollars.

All NHL players must be paid in US Dollars, even though our revenue comes from Canadian Dollars.

Komarov also takes up a roster spot that can go to another player that is more deserving of it.



I also see that Komarov has a 7 team no-trade list.

There are 7 NHL teams in Canada and he has a history of playing for one of them.

When he signed the contract that you and linehan10 want to dump, it was Canada Day 2018.

That marked the beginning of his tenure with the New York Islanders under Lou Lamoriello and the end of his tenure under him with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

There is reason to believe Lou and Leo wanted to escape from the Leafs and come to the Islanders together.

There is reason to believe that the Ottawa Senators, one of the 7 Canadian teams in the NHL, is on Leo's no-trade list.



(A loss for the Sens and a loss for the Isles)



As for Hickey, the end of the buyout period for the NHL offseason is July 27th 5PM EST.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-faq

It is now August 8th around 10AM EST.



2. Now that we're on Comment #47 and we'll be on Page 3 soon, you and linehan10 appear to be grasping at straws while trying to justify this trade with Ottawa.

So, here are your options.



A. You can dump Hickey on Ottawa at the cost of either a late 2nd round pick that can be used within the next 3 years, a prospect recently picked in the second round or the equivalent.

B. You can dump both Hickey and Komarov on some other team.

C. You can ride out the two contracts until they expire and instead, spend the 2nd round pick on a special player that will be adored by Islanders fans like yourself at the Trade Deadline.


Option C appears to be the direction that Lamoriello is heading in.

But ultimately, for making another comment on this thread, the choice is up to you

i just think your argument that you don’t want a second round pick so some young player who will never make it can have the roster spot instead. picks matter to teams like y’all

1. Some players that make it to the NHL have never been drafted before.

The two main examples on the Ottawa Senators are Nikita Zaitsev and Nick Holden.

The two main examples on the New York Islanders are Andy Greene and Ross Johnston.

That doesn't even include the countless examples from the past or that played for other NHL teams.

You never know if a player can make the team until you either know something about him or until you give him a shot.



2. Picks will matter to us if we can get them at the right price.

This is not the right price.

I have given you and UBS_Arena some options on what to do about it in my previous comment.

One of the options appears to be the one Lou Lamiorello has chosen.

Please consider them

Some other team can have the pick I just don’t understand why you’re so determined to watch a likely career AHLer score 3 points and be a -27 on the fourth line instead of paying Komarov 3 million for one year and getting a valuable pick in the process. This is the thought process that gets teams like Ottawa in the perpetual never ending rebuild it finds itself in