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Flames No Eichel this time

Créé par: Dr_Invictus
Équipe: 2021-22 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 26 juill. 2021
Publié: 26 juill. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Laine instead of Eichel.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3800 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
32 100 000 $
31 800 000 $
3955 000 $
3995 000 $
1995 000 $
2755 000 $
33 000 000 $
1755 000 $
87 500 000 $
31 300 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
53 100 000 $
21 900 000 $
43 600 000 $
2875 000 $
2995 000 $
2755 000 $
Offres hostiles
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Colton, Ross1 300 000 $Aucune compensation
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CGY
  1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
SEA
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. Mackey, Connor [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (FLA)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
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CGY
  1. Laine, Patrik [Droits de RFA]
CBJ
  1. Phillips, Matthew
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $74 207 500 $0 $0 $7 292 500 $

Formation

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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
C, AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 425 000 $2 425 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
995 000 $995 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
3 600 000 $3 600 000 $
C
UFA - 3
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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1 237 500 $1 237 500 $
DG
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
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NMC
UFA - 5
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
1 900 000 $1 900 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Équipe de réserve
Logo de Flames de Calgary
900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
AD
UFA - 1

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26 juill. 2021 à 22 h 35
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Laine would suck under Sutter IMO
26 juill. 2021 à 22 h 39
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Laine would suck under Sutter IMO


Oh, I know....everyone but 3rd line checkers suck under Sutter. They need to cut that tumor out asap
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26 juill. 2021 à 22 h 54
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I don't think trading for Dunn is a good idea, he's been injured for a year already. It's a bigger risk than having Valimaki in the top 4 spot
26 juill. 2021 à 22 h 56
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I don't think trading for Dunn is a good idea, he's been injured for a year already. It's a bigger risk than having Valimaki in the top 4 spot


My first thought was trading for Fleury, but I don't think the Kraken would part with him.
26 juill. 2021 à 23 h 25
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Oh, I know....everyone but 3rd line checkers suck under Sutter. They need to cut that tumor out asap


That's a horrible take
27 juill. 2021 à 0 h 44
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That's a horrible take


How so? Sutter won two cups with a stacked LA Kings team that was large enough to play his game. The game has gotten smaller and faster in the last 10 years. His players hated him when he was finally canned in LA, and his record as a GM was awful. Hiring him was a move by ownership to relive the "glory year" of the red mile. The team did not improve under him last year and he has a reputation for alienating talented players. The only worse coach I could think of for the Flames would be Torts.
27 juill. 2021 à 1 h 19
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How so? Sutter won two cups with a stacked LA Kings team that was large enough to play his game. The game has gotten smaller and faster in the last 10 years. His players hated him when he was finally canned in LA, and his record as a GM was awful. Hiring him was a move by ownership to relive the "glory year" of the red mile. The team did not improve under him last year and he has a reputation for alienating talented players. The only worse coach I could think of for the Flames would be Torts.


Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Calgary was statistically a top 10 best team in the league after Sutter implemented his system.
27 juill. 2021 à 2 h 46
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Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Calgary was statistically a top 10 best team in the league after Sutter implemented his system.


How do you figure?
They were 1st in the NW div one year, 3rd, and 5th the other two years he coached. He only coached Calgary for 3 years. If you take all 7 years that he was with the team it would be, chronologically (NHL rank, Playoffs): 22nd (DNQ playoffs); 12th (SCF Loss); 7th (1st rnd exit); 13th (1st rnd exit); 14th (1st rnd exit); 10th (1st rnd exit); 15th (DNQ playoffs). That is on average 13-14th in the league with one cup final.

His record as the GM was worse: despite making 50 selections over seven drafts (59 if you include 2003). Sutter only got 3819 total man-games out of his draft classes (4880 if you include Phaneuf which was really Button's pick). Only one of his 1st round picks ever played more than 100 NHL games (Michael Backlund). Even if you include 2003, that means Sutter drafted 82GP/Draftee, while Jay Feaster in 3 short years has already drafted 2422 games out of his selections so far, which is an average 121 NHL man-games per prospect in less than half the time as GM...and his prospects are still playing, so that number will only continue to improve over Sutter. Sutter had three full drafts (2005, 2006, 2009) where none of his picks ever broke the 100 game mark.

His only good trade was for Mikka Kiprusoff, and the other trades he did make, (Cammi & Jokinen) he let walk and then brought back only to give away more assets. He's a terrible judge of talent. So statistically, yes, he is bad.
27 juill. 2021 à 2 h 48
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How do you figure?
They were 1st in the NW div one year, 3rd, and 5th the other two years he coached. He only coached Calgary for 3 years. If you take all 7 years that he was with the team it would be, chronologically (NHL rank, Playoffs): 22nd (DNQ playoffs); 12th (SCF Loss); 7th (1st rnd exit); 13th (1st rnd exit); 14th (1st rnd exit); 10th (1st rnd exit); 15th (DNQ playoffs). That is on average 13-14th in the league with one cup final.

His record as the GM was worse: despite making 50 selections over seven drafts (59 if you include 2003). Sutter only got 3819 total man-games out of his draft classes (4880 if you include Phaneuf which was really Button's pick). Only one of his 1st round picks ever played more than 100 NHL games (Michael Backlund). Even if you include 2003, that means Sutter drafted 82GP/Draftee, while Jay Feaster in 3 short years has already drafted 2422 games out of his selections so far, which is an average 121 NHL man-games per prospect in less than half the time as GM...and his prospects are still playing, so that number will only continue to improve over Sutter. Sutter had three full drafts (2005, 2006, 2009) where none of his picks ever broke the 100 game mark.

His only good trade was for Mikka Kiprusoff, and the other trades he did make, (Cammi & Jokinen) he let walk and then brought back only to give away more assets. He's a terrible judge of talent. So statistically, yes, he is bad.


Im talking about now, this year. He's an awful GM. He's an excellent coach. After Sutter implemented his system this year Calgary was playing like a top 10 team in the league
27 juill. 2021 à 9 h 57
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Im talking about now, this year. He's an awful GM. He's an excellent coach. After Sutter implemented his system this year Calgary was playing like a top 10 team in the league


They had 15 wins and 15 losses (50% hockey). I don't see that as being exceptional, and certainly not worth the risk of having our young talent begin to hate the game, because they played under him. I mean, the guy got fired from the Kings and they were over .500 with him at the time. The below article is a good take on it.

Hickey on hockey: Old-school coaching clashes with new NHL reality” Montreal Gazette, 06/12/2019
27 juill. 2021 à 16 h 37
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They had 15 wins and 15 losses (50% hockey). I don't see that as being exceptional, and certainly not worth the risk of having our young talent begin to hate the game, because they played under him. I mean, the guy got fired from the Kings and they were over .500 with him at the time. The below article is a good take on it.

Hickey on hockey: Old-school coaching clashes with new NHL reality” Montreal Gazette, 06/12/2019


You think he had his system in place day 1? Lmao
When a new coach comes in teams generally go on a short hot streak before going through a slump of around 10 games as the coach implements their new system.
27 juill. 2021 à 17 h 3
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You think he had his system in place day 1? Lmao
When a new coach comes in teams generally go on a short hot streak before going through a slump of around 10 games as the coach implements their new system.


Calgary already has a hard enough time attracting talent. He's not that good of a coach to warrant that risk, and his evaluation of potential players is dismal, at best. So many other options were available
27 juill. 2021 à 17 h 7
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Calgary already has a hard enough time attracting talent. He's not that good of a coach to warrant that risk, and his evaluation of potential players is dismal, at best. So many other options were available


Calgary has just as hard a time attracting coaches, Sutter is a legitimate top end coach
27 juill. 2021 à 18 h 50
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Calgary has just as hard a time attracting coaches, Sutter is a legitimate top end coach


There are only 32 head coaching positions in the NHL. the salary drop off below the NHL level is steep. Other than Babcock, most coaches are biting at the bit for a chance to be an NHL coach again. There are still many coaches with better win % who aren't on contract. Players are harder to get than coaches. With any luck, Sutter will be canned and Kirk Mueller can take over.
27 juill. 2021 à 19 h 8
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There are only 32 head coaching positions in the NHL. the salary drop off below the NHL level is steep. Other than Babcock, most coaches are biting at the bit for a chance to be an NHL coach again. There are still many coaches with better win % who aren't on contract. Players are harder to get than coaches. With any luck, Sutter will be canned and Kirk Mueller can take over.


Again Sutter was excellent after his system was implemented, he will be here for the next few years then Mueller will take over once his contract ends
 
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