we need to stop saying "big 4" and just say his name

one is our captain, another is a generational goalscorer, another is top 30 in 5v5 goals/points since 19-20 making under market value and playing 2nd line/PP minutes, and one is the 2nd highest paid winger in the league who leads our PP in TOI despite not having a goal in like 15 months and has yet to score a playoff goal since april of 2019



which one should we move I wonder

If you go waaaay back, I was one of the few that said Marner was not worth north of $10 million a year. Felt he was much closer to the Aho offer sheet.

An $8.5 million Marner has teams lining up. An $11 million Marner is much tougher to move unless it's New Jersey.....

Not to mention, are we having this discussion id Marner signed what I still maintain was his market contract?

I still maintain marner would be easy to trade (look at the return ristolainen/jones just got for god's sake, and they suck), Mitch is a top 5 scorer in the regular season lol

However, that contract is looking more and more like a boat anchor. He basically has to be the best winger in the NHL to live up to it lol, a tall task - where-as a guy like willy performs and it's a pleasant surprise because he only makes $7M

still though, after this season, july 1st the leafs pay him a $7.25M signing bonus and then he makes league min salary for the rest of the season, then only makes like $8M aav from there on out. A young team with cap space would take that deal in a heartbeat, use it to hit the cap floor but also not really spend much in real dollars (plus he'd have 3 seasons left, so not a rental)

Geez those stats are brutal. I guess it is safe to say that Marner is a pure product of Matthews, just like Sheary is of Crosby.

What I get from this is Nylander is pretty underrated.

Curious as to what Marner’s numbers looked like during the 2018 season when he played with JT. Hoping they go back to Matthews Nylander, JT Marner this season

JT was a lot better without mitch than mitch was without JT lol

Well f

Nylander has ALWAYS been unrated.

I would 100% go to Jersey and try for Woods, Zacha and a pick.

But so many Leafs fans would hate that. Smarter ones see the logic in the move.

Honestly, the Leafs are in a tough spot. If they want to move Marner to a traditional GM, they won't take him cuz of his poor playoff performance, poor all round game and lack of grit. If they choose to trade him to an analytical GM, they will struggle to get value cuz his results away from other elite players are horrible.

But the team won't get better with him still in the lineup either.

Agreed 100%. Then there will be a group of GMs that will be looking for a flat out offensive upgrade.... Jersey, Nashville are two that come to mind quickly; and Mitch is certainly that with those teams.

The real question maybe can Leafs fans deal with what is going to look like an underwhelming return, but in reality would do wonders for the overall mix and balance of the team?

Sadly, we can discuss this - but since the Brass is comitted to the top 4, we need to discuss other options on the cheapy cheap.

ristolainen just got traded for a fortune to a contending team, despite being literally awful 24/7 and having zero playoff experience

marner would fetch a haul from another team, he's literally a top 10 winger in the league. Even as a rookie playing on the third line with guys like bozak/kadri he still put up like 60-70 points lol

Mitch won't get market value on the basis of the contract.

And Risto isn't the best comparison. Sure, he was bad, but Buffalo is a tire fire so big people in St Catherine's would be able see.🤣🤣

But, moving one of the "Big 4" isn't gonna happen. We know that so this is all conjecture.

I think most Leaf fans are happy with the idea of just getting rid of him. It’s one of those addition by subtraction situations. Even if they don’t trade him now he’ll be gone next offseason

Another first round exit, the writing is on the wall.

He might be a top 10 winger with Matthews but as your stats just showed he’s one of the worst without.

Would you trade Marner to PIT for Zucker & Jarry?

I think a young Grade A prospect would need to be in there for me. Marner is Marner..... but the cap savings there make a lot of sense.

lol we put kapanen/willy with matthews and they both scored 40-60 points

marner beside matthews scores at a 90-110 point pace, surely that's not a coincidence?

marner is 2-3M overpaid but to act like he's not a superb winger who excels defensively and at 5v5 is silly



would you trade guentzel for jesper fast and reimer?

I’ve spoken to the fans of other teams asking if they’d give up a prospect for Marner & the majority said no. So there’s that. While I disagree, I can’t help but feel his value has really gone down the drain since signing that contract. One issue is the cap hit, another is the fact that he doesn’t perform. It’s like Jeff Skinner situation.

yeah, it's like the skinner situation except that he's 8th in points since 2019-20 where-as skinner is 328th

to say marner doesn't perform on his contract is ridiculous at this point

he's had 2 bad playoffs where his expected stats etc. were excellent but he couldn't finish. No doubt a mental block, but to he's also 24 and will likely breakthrough. He's a top 10 player in the regular season

You have been pretty contradictory tbh. In the original post, you sent a picture showing that Marner has some of the worst expected stats in the league, but now you’re saying he’s good?