Trading Guentzel to Set Up A Rebuild Offseason

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Créé par: Arom5477

Équipe: 2021-22 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2021

Publié: 21 juin 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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With this roster, we're still set up for a long run in the playoffs with a deep roster; However, with a lot of the contracts being up after the season allows us to take a hard look after the season with $54MM in cap space to decide: Do we keep going? Or, do we shut it down and rebuild? Also, if for some reason the team doesn't pan out, there are a lot of players on this roster that could garner high draft picks come trade deadline time.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Fabbro, Dante	1	1 250 000 $
Aston-Reese, Zach	1	1 500 000 $
Blueger, Teddy	1	1 875 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Gaudreau, Frédérick	1	875 000 $
Rinne, Pekka	1	2 500 000 $
Landeskog, Gabriel	1	8 000 000 $

Transactions

PIT

SEA

Matheson, Michael

PIT

Fabbro, Dante [Droits de RFA]
Forsberg, Filip
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (NSH)

Détails additionnels:

Conditional 2022 2nd round pick becomes a 2022 1st round pick if Guentzel scores 40+ goals -or- NSH makes it to the Western Conference Finals.

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Similar to the Hornqvist trade at the start of GMJR's tenure: Traded the superior point-getter in James Neal, but got a new identity player in Hornqvist.

Same thing here: Trading the elite point getter, but small, Guentzel for a bigger, grittier Forsberg. Fabbro and the pick even up the deal due to Forsberg being UFA and Guentzel being young and having term.

Also, this sets up a lot freed cap space after the season to make the dreaded rebuild decision.

NSH

Guentzel, Jake

PIT

Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (BOS)

BUF

Jarry, Tristan

PIT

Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (VAN)

VAN

Zucker, Jason

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 1 166 667 $

Enfoui

Juuso Riikola: 25 000 $ (1 150 000 $)

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TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	81 394 872 $	0 $	212 500 $	105 128 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 8	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 4	Forsberg, Filip 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ AG UFA - 1
McCann, Jared 2 940 000 $2 940 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni 9 500 000 $9 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Rust, Bryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Tanev, Brandon 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 4	Carter, Jeff 2 636 364 $2 636 364 $ AD, C UFA - 1	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 1
	Blueger, Teddy 1 875 000 $1 875 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Gaudreau, Frédérick 875 000 $875 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2
Aston-Reese, Zach 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris 7 250 000 $7 250 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Rinne, Pekka 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ G UFA
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG UFA - 4	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 6	DeSmith, Casey 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 863 333 $863 333 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 1	Fabbro, Dante 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Poulin, Samuel 863 333 $863 333 $ C, AG RFA - 3
Friedman, Mark 725 000 $725 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Ruhwedel, Chad 750 000 $750 000 $ DD UFA - 1

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 14

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i dont see how / why Nash does this? i would assume Guentzel and Forsberg are almost equal talents (imo Forsberg can carry a line Guenzel is more of an accessory type player) and if they are giving up this type of value Guentzel better score 40+ goals lol not "if he does give us more" they are already paying for that type of production....

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 15

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Yikes. You can get a lot more than that for Jake. You're basically saving NSH's ass by getting a better winger signed for three years at the same cap hit. I'd turn that 2nd into a first and still have them add someone like Tomasino.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 16

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

Very incorrect assessment on Jake being an accessory type player. Jake is a top ten winger in this league.

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21 juin 2021 à 11 h 20

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

All the analytics and eye tests in the world can prove that as a false statement on Guentzel.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 21

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Very incorrect assessment on Jake being an accessory type player. Jake is a top ten winger in this league.

no doubt but Guenzel is the type of guy you pair with elite level talent not a guy you put with average centers and expect to improve their game. Like Malkin and Crosby are elite level talent and they need a high IQ high talent winger thats Jake....if you were to put him with Mccann he wouldn't be nearly as effective. Nothing wrong with that.... honestly those types of players should be valued high but im saying is Nash doesnt have to talent to utilize JG. he would need to go somewhere w a top 20 center that need a high IQ winger to elevate his game. Mcdavid Barzel Barkov guys like that

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 22

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Quoting: Arom5477

All the analytics and eye tests in the world can prove that as a false statement on Guentzel.

"analytics and eye tests" analytics say hes way better with sid and geno than without them. "eyetest" isnt a real thing just what people claim when analytics dont go their way

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 31

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

Jake has proven this wrong on multiple occasions.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 31

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Quoting: Arom5477

All the analytics and eye tests in the world can prove that as a false statement on Guentzel.

Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Very incorrect assessment on Jake being an accessory type player. Jake is a top ten winger in this league.

20-21 Jake w and without Sid

with
53.38cf% 52.86FF% 52.25xgf%

without
34.27cf% 31.90ff% 21.69xgf%

yeah its not rocket science lmfao. like i said i think Jake is great but "analytics" tell a different story

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 32

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Jake has proven this wrong on multiple occasions.

lol clearly

20-21 Jake w and without Sid

with
53.38cf% 52.86FF% 52.25xgf%

without
34.27cf% 31.90ff% 21.69xgf%

to be clear its not a massive serving size but "eye test" seems off

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 35

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

lol clearly

20-21 Jake w and without Sid

with
53.38cf% 52.86FF% 52.25xgf%

without
34.27cf% 31.90ff% 21.69xgf%

to be clear its not a massive serving size but "eye test" seems off

Look at the actual results, not the fancy stats. Look at his production through all the injures and not playing with either Sid or Geno. Then get back to me and I mean over the last three years.

Also, for context, you should provide the sample size you're showing.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 43

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

well JG is either glued to MAlkin or Sid not like i can provide whats not available. He's also had some untimely injuries like last year. these aren't fantasy stats lol they are the analytics most people put a lot of stock into. you guys are the ones getting bet out of shape by this. I SAID Jake is great but hes a complementary player... doesn't mean hes not good just means hes need high end talent to produce to his max level. guy like Kane or Stone can carry a line without needing elite level talent... not like the league is full of them.. even Ovechkin has become an complementary player.. he needs someone to help him score

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 46

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

lol clearly

20-21 Jake w and without Sid

with
53.38cf% 52.86FF% 52.25xgf%

without
34.27cf% 31.90ff% 21.69xgf%

to be clear its not a massive serving size but "eye test" seems off

LOL. You mean the FIVE GAMES of cumulative data where he was away from Crosby or Malkin in 2020-21? LOL. Nice try.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 47

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

Your stats are flawed unless context is given. The time played without Sid is likely VERY low considered he's played with him all year, so it's a poor example.

There have been periods of the last three years, due to injuries, where Jake has played without Sid or Geno AND produced. I'm trying to put this into context because he's a better player than Forseberg and the return in this trade is bad. Nashville should/would have to add.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 47

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Quoting: Arom5477

LOL. You mean the FIVE GAMES of cumulative data where he was away from Crosby or Malkin in 2020-21? LOL. Nice try.

Again, please provide TOI.

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 50

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Quoting: Arom5477

LOL. You mean the FIVE GAMES of cumulative data where he was away from Crosby or Malkin in 2020-21? LOL. Nice try.

"to be clear its not a massive serving size but "eye test" seems off" reading is hard. yeah but im not the guy who is claiming hes elite away from Sid and Geno...i believe you are the genius that said analytics supports this lol

21 juin 2021 à 11 h 59

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

okay let medo more work to prove my point you said 3 years okay :0
with Sid only
54.63cf% 54.76ff% 61.88gf% 55.06xgf%

with Geno only
52.98cf% 54.99ff% 56.10gf% 56.34xgf%

Jake w/o Geno and Sid
42.70cf% 43.29ff% 34.78gf% 42.19xgf% 266minutes away from both in 3 years

AGAIN AS YOU CAN SEE HES FAR FROM" ELITE" HE'S ACTUALLY NOT VERY GOOD AWAYFROM BOTH (analytically speaking ...i think hes fine but needs elite talent)

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 0

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Quoting: Arom5477

LOL. You mean the FIVE GAMES of cumulative data where he was away from Crosby or Malkin in 2020-21? LOL. Nice try.

with Sid only
54.63cf% 54.76ff% 61.88gf% 55.06xgf%

with Geno only
52.98cf% 54.99ff% 56.10gf% 56.34xgf%

Jake w/o Geno and Sid
42.70cf% 43.29ff% 34.78gf% 42.19xgf% 266minutes away from both in 3 years

there you go

"try again" how about over the last 3 years kiddo

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 1

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

Again... did you look at the actual production away from both Sid and Geno?

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 4

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Again, please provide TOI.

Quoting: Arom5477

LOL. You mean the FIVE GAMES of cumulative data where he was away from Crosby or Malkin in 2020-21? LOL. Nice try.

Forsberg with RYJO last 3 years
55.63cf% 55.13ff% 54.33xgf%

with Sid only
54.63cf% 54.76ff% 61.88gf% 55.06xgf%

with Geno only
52.98cf% 54.99ff% 56.10gf% 56.34xgf%

Jake w/o Geno and Sid
42.70cf% 43.29ff% 34.78gf% 42.19xgf% 266minutes away from both in 3 years

i did even more work for yinz

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 7

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

You seem to be avoiding looking at actual results.

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 8

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Again... did you look at the actual production away from both Sid and Geno?

im positive you dont know how to read what im sending you... i even added gf% to make it easier. the other team out scores out possesses and out chances by notable margin when hes without either. that makes sense bc hes with a lesser talented player... this is to be expected but it also proves my point

have a good day this is becoming unbearable to try to explain the same thing over and over lol

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 11

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

Oh, I understand advanced stats quite well. I'm a frequenter of natty stats, dom at the athletic and various other comparative stats analytics. The fact you're peacing out of the discussion when I asked for actual results means you know you've lost, so that's cool. Nice chatting with you.

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 14

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

lol whatever helps you sleep tonight... woof

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 14

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Quoting: DogDayCaps2

lol whatever helps you sleep tonight... woof

I accept your decision to lose gracefully.

21 juin 2021 à 12 h 22

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Love how all you Pens fans are ready to jump off the Jarry bandwagon soooo quickly... He struggled at the beginning of the season and in playoffs but the in between he was sorting it out, and you're all quick to forget how good he was last season pre-pandemic... Kid is still young on a team friendly deal and will be coming back with a purpose next season, while coming into his prime years.. Settle down Pens fans, you're gonna be fine, tweaks here and there and the team still has a window to winning(a lot longer than Washington's that's for sure!!!)...

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