Pierre Engvall is the new Jeremy Bracco of Leafs posts. Guy has a big neck...other than that, he's a spare part.

Philly says no.

Engvall is a known 26 yr old commodity, who after ample attempts is neither a good defensive player or can produce at the NHL level, who probably doesn;t even make Phillys deep forward corps. (Allison or Frost are far better options). Patricks upside and low risk/high reward is worth more than that (and I dont mean the usual dermott/mikheyev/insert scrub here).

And Arizona hangs up, thats a real poor offer

Seriously.... look at the Flyers roster and tell me where he plays. Everyone should take a bunch of meh for pieces the Leafs actually need.

Agreed. Guy is a 13th forward, and you could get the same player for the league minimum.