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How far off is this from working for BUF

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Publié: 12 mai 2021 à 10 h 20
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 27/116 (23%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

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La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 2 200 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: -824 210 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Eichel, JackSabres de BuffaloIR-10 000 000 $011---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Voracek, JakubFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-8 250 000 $111---0000--
Frost, MorganExempté du ballottageFlyers de PhiladelphieIR-863 333 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Flyers de PhiladelphiePHI)---100------
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Penguins de PittsburghPIT)---100------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Wild du MinnesotaMIN)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial3 024 210 $2643583812
Variation886 667 $111210
Final3 910 877 $ (↑)27 (↑)44 (↑)59 (↑)5 (↑)9 (↑)12000

Logo de Wild du MinnesotaWild du Minnesota

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dumba, MattWild du MinnesotaLNH-1 396 551 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Penguins de PittsburghPIT)---100------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Wild du MinnesotaMIN)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Couturier, SeanFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-1 008 620 $111---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 637 205 $2246634712
Variation387 931 $000-1-10
Final2 025 136 $ (↑)2246633 (↓)6 (↓)12000

Logo de Flyers de PhiladelphieFlyers de Philadelphie

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Couturier, SeanFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-1 008 620 $111---0000--
Voracek, JakubFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-1 920 258 $111---0000--
Frost, MorganExempté du ballottageFlyers de PhiladelphieIR-200 948 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (Logo de Flyers de PhiladelphiePHI)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Dumba, MattWild du MinnesotaLNH-1 396 551 $111---0000--
Eichel, JackSabres de BuffaloIR-2 327 586 $011---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial771 982 $2449673613
Variation-594 311 $-1-1-1-100
Final177 671 $ (↓)23 (↓)48 (↓)66 (↓)2 (↓)613000
12 mai 2021 à 10 h 25
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Wow Philly really cleans up in this one
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12 mai 2021 à 10 h 29
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Wow Philly really cleans up in this one


Yeah that was my fear - what do you think would balance it more? Suggestions on what to shift around so it's more enticing for BUF and not as favorable to PHI? Assume MIN is perfectly happy with this.
12 mai 2021 à 10 h 52
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Buffalo has no interest in Voracek for one. Konecny would move the needle a little better.
12 mai 2021 à 10 h 56
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First of all none of these trades work second of all you dont know how 3 team trades work
12 mai 2021 à 11 h 8
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Buffalo has no interest in Voracek for one. Konecny would move the needle a little better.


Ok that's fair - I appreciate the feedback. I'll workshop it a bit for my own amusement and look to drop Voracek and add Konecny.
12 mai 2021 à 11 h 9
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Quoting: NAF10
First of all none of these trades work second of all you dont know how 3 team trades work


Umm....this is unnecessarily aggressive? Care to add anything constructive or explain further?
12 mai 2021 à 11 h 26
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Quoting: drmantalban
Umm....this is unnecessarily aggressive? Care to add anything constructive or explain further?

Buffalo and pittsburgh never traded anything to each other in three team trades ever team trades something to each other.
To get Eichel you have to pay alot more then Frost and Voracek, Voracek Does nothing for Buffalo they dont need him that first is basically gonna be outside the top 10 Frost is the only decent piece in this trade
Philadelphia gets a defenseman they dont need, and trades Couturier who is gonna be there number 1 Centerman no deal both sides
12 mai 2021 à 11 h 44
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Quoting: NAF10
Buffalo and pittsburgh never traded anything to each other in three team trades ever team trades something to each other.
To get Eichel you have to pay alot more then Frost and Voracek, Voracek Does nothing for Buffalo they dont need him that first is basically gonna be outside the top 10 Frost is the only decent piece in this trade
Philadelphia gets a defenseman they dont need, and trades Couturier who is gonna be there number 1 Centerman no deal both sides


Pittsburgh? What are you talking about? If you're trying to indicate that all 3 teams would need to be involved, they are. Additionally, Philly does need a top RD-man to play with Provorov. Dumba may not be perfect, but it does fill a need, so you're not correct there. Philly obviously doesn't want to move Coots, but the whole point is that they have Eichel coming back, so they're ok with it. Buffalo not getting enough compensation is a fair criticism, which is why I titled the post "How far off is this from working for BUF".

If you're gonna be condescending and hostile, at least make sense.
12 mai 2021 à 14 h 3
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I would say you are off by a lot here as I don't think you consider what each team actually requires; Buffalo is case an point:
Buffalo requires the following:
- Young NHL ready players (forward, defender & Tender)
- Prospects
- Draft Picks

The question becomes how much do they get of what they require as I would assume that three Young NHL ready players are min requirement with picks or prospects.

Minnesota doesn't currently have any real requirements as they are in a win now situation; if they require anything it would be cap space so prospects and picks in return for Dumba or an depth defender. So this feels like it should have been a Dumba to Philadelphia for picks and maybe Myers, Philippe. This would then force Philadelphia to trade more pieces to free up cap space themselves; if they are considering Jack also.

So here is how I think the trade would work:

Buffalo receives:
Konecny, Travis
Lindblom, Oskar
Myers, Philippe
Draft Picks and/or Prospects

Philadelphia receives as above:
Dumba, Matt
Eichel, Jack

Minnesota receives:
Draft picks ( 1st & 3rd or 4th?)
12 mai 2021 à 14 h 51
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Quoting: Gui
I would say you are off by a lot here as I don't think you consider what each team actually requires; Buffalo is case an point:
Buffalo requires the following:
- Young NHL ready players (forward, defender & Tender)
- Prospects
- Draft Picks


Regarding BUF, that's fair. That's the side of this equation I struggled with most. I'd agree that it needs workshopping for BUF to consider it, but Frost is NHL ready and I included 2 1sts and a 2nd. Voracek is not worth his contract, but he's still very productive and immediately plays topline minutes for BUF. I'm not hung up on what I proposed here, since I'd agree that package to BUF ultimately gets beat by competing offers. I just wanted to explore Couturier going to MIN, while also playing around with the Eichel sweepstakes. PHI has very little incentive to move coots, unless there's major upside (blue chip D man like Seth Jones + picks, or Jack Eichel).


Quoting: Gui

Minnesota doesn't currently have any real requirements as they are in a win now situation; if they require anything it would be cap space so prospects and picks in return for Dumba or an depth defender. So this feels like it should have been a Dumba to Philadelphia for picks and maybe Myers,


Sorry but that's just not at all correct. MIN does not need a depth defender, and more importantly, they have an enormous need for a 1C. 1C is a MONUMENTAL requirement for MIN right now and the foreseeable future. Victor Rask is currently the 1st line center, a guy that's a healthy scratch on most teams. Finding a top line center is probably one of the highest priorities in MIN. MIN has absolutely zero interest in this trade, unless there's a 1C coming back. Plenty of proposals have them targeting Eichel, but I wanted this one to be different in going after Coots.
12 mai 2021 à 16 h 34
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Quoting: Rhea
Wow Philly really cleans up in this one


no way buffalo would consider that trade...wishful thinking....
12 mai 2021 à 16 h 36
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Quoting: Gui
I would say you are off by a lot here as I don't think you consider what each team actually requires; Buffalo is case an point:
Buffalo requires the following:
- Young NHL ready players (forward, defender & Tender)
- Prospects
- Draft Picks

The question becomes how much do they get of what they require as I would assume that three Young NHL ready players are min requirement with picks or prospects.

Minnesota doesn't currently have any real requirements as they are in a win now situation; if they require anything it would be cap space so prospects and picks in return for Dumba or an depth defender. So this feels like it should have been a Dumba to Philadelphia for picks and maybe Myers, Philippe. This would then force Philadelphia to trade more pieces to free up cap space themselves; if they are considering Jack also.

So here is how I think the trade would work:

Buffalo receives:
Konecny, Travis
Lindblom, Oskar
Myers, Philippe
Draft Picks and/or Prospects

Philadelphia receives as above:
Dumba, Matt
Eichel, Jack

Minnesota receives:
Draft picks ( 1st & 3rd or 4th?)


dumba will be unprotected for the draft so no reason to make this trade
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12 mai 2021 à 23 h 29
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Quoting: M0LSON
dumba will be unprotected for the draft so no reason to make this trade


Agreed, I was simple playing what drmantalban wanted Philadelphia to get in the trade.
12 mai 2021 à 23 h 43
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Quoting: drmantalban
Regarding BUF, that's fair. That's the side of this equation I struggled with most. I'd agree that it needs workshopping for BUF to consider it, but Frost is NHL ready and I included 2 1sts and a 2nd. Voracek is not worth his contract, but he's still very productive and immediately plays topline minutes for BUF. I'm not hung up on what I proposed here, since I'd agree that package to BUF ultimately gets beat by competing offers. I just wanted to explore Couturier going to MIN, while also playing around with the Eichel sweepstakes. PHI has very little incentive to move coots, unless there's major upside (blue chip D man like Seth Jones + picks, or Jack Eichel).




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Sorry but that's just not at all correct. MIN does not need a depth defender, and more importantly, they have an enormous need for a 1C. 1C is a MONUMENTAL requirement for MIN right now and the foreseeable future. Victor Rask is currently the 1st line center, a guy that's a healthy scratch on most teams. Finding a top line center is probably one of the highest priorities in MIN. MIN has absolutely zero interest in this trade, unless there's a 1C coming back. Plenty of proposals have them targeting Eichel, but I wanted this one to be different in going after Coots.


Issue I have with this statement is the fact that you are consider Couturier, Sean as first line center, when he is clearly being paid like a second line center in Philadelphia right now. So why would Minnesota want a second line center when 1C is a MONUMENTAL requirement for MIN right now and the foreseeable future. Which I also disagree with the foreseeable future aspect since Minnesota are a year maybe two from a complete rebuild so they will require a lot more then 2C playing 1C minutes.

You also seem to miss the fact that Minnesota needs Cap space more then anything else at the moment as they cannot acquire an 1C without Cap Space.
13 mai 2021 à 8 h 8
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Aparently im stupid but this would never happen Dumba isnt even that good it just ruins the players like Phillipe Myres from getting more minutes
13 mai 2021 à 10 h 41
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Quoting: Gui
Issue I have with this statement is the fact that you are consider Couturier, Sean as first line center, when he is clearly being paid like a second line center in Philadelphia right now. So why would Minnesota want a second line center when 1C is a MONUMENTAL requirement for MIN right now and the foreseeable future. Which I also disagree with the foreseeable future aspect since Minnesota are a year maybe two from a complete rebuild so they will require a lot more then 2C playing 1C minutes.

You also seem to miss the fact that Minnesota needs Cap space more then anything else at the moment as they cannot acquire an 1C without Cap Space.


Gui - Coots is a 1C talent. If you can't admit that, just because you'd rather poke holes in my argument, then I don't want to continue this discussion. His contract is one of the best in the league right now, but he's UFA after next season and I absolutely guarantee you he gets paid. Citing his current cap hit as a reason for not being a 1C is ridiculous.

Also, Minnesota is a year away from rebuild?!!! In what league?! They have one of the highest rated prospect pools in the league and deep young talent in Kaprizov, Fiala, Ek. MIN is not a year or two away from rebuild, they're a 1C away from being legitimate cup contenders. Cap space is an issue, but they have over 20M coming off the books next year. The main problem are the Parise and Suter contracts, which will weigh heavy. Although there's quite a bit of speculation around something happening with Parise this summer.

I can appreciate that my original trade proposal has plenty of flaws, but you are just completely missing the mark with your comments on MIN. I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on PHI or BUF, or any other team for that matter, but I follow the wild extremely closely and know their charts inside out.
 
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