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Defending Tavares signing read discussion

Créé par: Hidalgo
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2020
Publié: 18 nov. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Roster reflects imaginary 2018-19 and 2019-20 ish roster if Tavares wasn't signed. Would like people to chime in

For the revisionists who say that the Tavares signing was a mistake because you could've used that money elsewhere, this is what you're looking at for 2018-19 and 2019-20.

Obviously theres moving parts, Zaitsev could've still been moved, Marleau could've still been moved. But I would like to hear people's thoughts on what better options there could've been. Sure, there lots of cap space, but take a look at the FA's in 18 and 19 and tell me who you would've signed. Tyler Myers? Calvin De Haan? Gardiner? If you want those guys, money still has to be moved, and you’re likely locking yourself into a long term deal that’s worse than Tavares’s deal (see every 18-19 UFA signing).

You could've waited it out 2 years and signed Pietro, but you would've sucked for 2 years likely.

If you wanted to go the trade route, who are you moving? Moving Kadri without signing Tavares leaves you pretty weak up the middle. What can be moved? What are you getting back? There's also always the argument that the big 3 rfa's would've been cheaper. Who's to say they wouldn't be more expensive with a more prominent role on the team. Even so, all this cap space, but nothing to do with it really.

Tavares is expensive and obviously not a perfect contract, but I do not understand what people who try to rewrite history and say they should've done otherwise think they should've done. With how much their older players (Bozak, Marleau, JVR) declined, I really think TO would have been a much worse team otherwise. Bringing Tavares made a lot of other pieces more expendable, and I guarantee all 31 teams would've signed Tavares if given the opportunity.

Thoughts?
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2081 500 000 $81 818 908 $0 $0 $-318 908 $
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2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
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UFA - 4
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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UFA - 4
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
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874 125 $874 125 $
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700 000 $700 000 $
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UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 4
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821 667 $821 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 4
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
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18 nov. 2020 à 0 h 58
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There’s no point in defending the Tavares signing. It was the RIGHT move. Anytime you can grab an elite C for no assets you do it
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18 nov. 2020 à 1 h 3
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Technically Marleau was moved because of the impending Marner, Kapanen, Johnsson signings so I think he would’ve had to be moved anyways. It’s weird he still fits. Tavares was a good signing tho
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18 nov. 2020 à 1 h 45
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Quoting: mhockey91
There’s no point in defending the Tavares signing. It was the RIGHT move. Anytime you can grab an elite C for no assets you do it


That’s always been my argument, just thought I’d support it with some ideas on how they couldn’t have done better anyway. Hopefully the overdrive guys see this
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18 nov. 2020 à 4 h 15
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That’s always been my argument, just thought I’d support it with some ideas on how they couldn’t have done better anyway. Hopefully the overdrive guys see this


I think it was the right move but should've dealt nylander for a defenseman.
18 nov. 2020 à 5 h 19
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Youre wrong bruh. We're good without that contract.
18 nov. 2020 à 9 h 55
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The problem is Kadri is an elite second line center, and brown,marleau and brown are prolly still moved, then you never have to trade Johnsson and you don’t really need to do much else and now you have cap space and still a good roster
18 nov. 2020 à 10 h 41
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there isnt a day that goes by that Leaf fans post a reverse Kadri trade what if roster.....guys its time to move on already
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18 nov. 2020 à 17 h 52
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Youre wrong bruh. We're good without that contract.


Lol well no kidding, you have absolutely no room for it.
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Lol well no kidding, you have absolutely no room for it.


If tavares wouldve stayed not every guy wouldve gotten as much. Lee and nelson were panic signings and nelson probably doesnt get a deal at all with barzy and tavares on the team. But we would be in a worse cap situation right now for sure.
 
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