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Créé par: oliwer_smashki

Équipe: 2020-21 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 19 oct. 2020

Publié: 19 oct. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Before you jump on me, hear me out...
I kinda went quantity over quality here, and I don't think this trade gets it done. However, I kept seeing multiple ACGMs that had the Canes paying Dougie+ for Laine which is just ridiculous so I wanted to propose a trade that doesn't involve the Canes trading away one of their defensive cornerstones (or Necas cause the kid's a beast)
When you look at the pieces going to the Jets, I know there's not really one main piece, but it's more to fill the holes the Jets have in their roster. Nino and Skjei aren't exactly castaways; both have shown that they are viable options on the 2/3LW and 2LD (respectively), which the Jets need (for those people who think both of those guys are liabilities on the ice, you're wrong), and the Canes are retaining heavily on both guys. The Jets are also getting a gaggle of picks and a highly talented winger prospect in Bokk. Like I said, I don't think that this gets it done, but I'd love y'all's thoughts on the value here.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Fleury, Haydn	3	2 000 000 $
Foegele, Warren	3	2 300 000 $
Kaski, Oliwer	2	1 000 000 $

Transactions

CAR

Laine, Patrik

WPG

Bokk, Dominik
Niederreiter, Nino (1 500 000 $ retained)
Skjei, Brady (2 500 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

2022 2nd becomes a 1st if Laine plays more than 65 games for the Canes in 2020/2021 (if the season happens) OR scores more than 35 goals

Rachats de contrats

Alexander Semin: 2 333 333 $
Patrick Marleau: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Nino Niederreiter: 1 500 000 $ (28.57%)
Brady Skjei: 2 500 000 $ (47.62%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	81 500 000 $	79 218 989 $	1 367 073 $	3 187 500 $	2 281 011 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Laine, Patrik 4 995 000 $4 995 000 $ C, AD, AG UFA - 1	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 4	Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4
Svechnikov, Andrei 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 650 000 $$3M) AG, AD UFA - 1	Trocheck, Vincent 4 750 000 $4 750 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Necas, Martin 863 333 $863 333 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 2
Dzingel, Ryan 3 375 000 $3 375 000 $ AG, AD, C UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 3	Fast, Jesper 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Foegele, Warren 2 300 000 $2 300 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Martinook, Jordan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	McGinn, Brock 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Reimer, James 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Pesce, Brett 4 025 000 $4 025 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Mrázek, Petr 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ G UFA - 1
Gardiner, Jake 4 050 000 $4 050 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 3	Fleury, Haydn 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
Ryan, Joakim 700 000 $700 000 $ DG UFA - 1

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 22

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Jet arent taking that

Canes cant afford that. I.e retaining 4 million for 2 years and then another 2.5 million for 3 more years. It makes no sense as we are a cap team.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 22

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it starts with Pesce

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 23

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So how's Carolina going to be able to afford to give Laine between $9m-$10m plus lockup both Hamilton and Svechnikov? I figure Carolina will roughly have about $25 million to spend next summer on 8 players those 3 alone pretty much eat that up.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 23

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I get what you are trying to do, but I dont think the jets accept.
Chevvy will ask for Necas and one of Hamilton or Pesce and the canes will say no, but that's the price
Nino and Skjei are decent options but they dont more the needle for the jets. THe picks are nice and the jets could use them to add someone else i guess

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19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 27

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Quoting: csick

it starts with Pesce

The whole point of this was so that it didn't...

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 27

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Even if the jets were to go for that the canes can’t afford to retain that much for that long.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 27

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Quoting: oliwer_smashki

The whole point of this was so that it didn't...

well it starts with Pesce or Necas theres no way around that

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 29

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Jet arent taking that

Canes cant afford that. I.e retaining 4 million for 2 years and then another 2.5 million for 3 more years. It makes no sense as we are a cap team.

This isn't the whole offseason plan, just one trade. There would have to be a lot of cap clearing moves made before next season in order to make it work well.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 31

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Quoting: csick

well it starts with Pesce or Necas theres no way around that

Yep Pesce for sure.

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19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 33

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Quoting: csick

well it starts with Pesce or Necas theres no way around that

I get that. What I'm trying to see is the value. Because I've seen trades involving Pesce or Necas (or both) that have the same number of picks/prospects attached to them as I did here and that's just an overpay, plain and simple. Laine's good, but he's not Pesce+Necas+ good imo

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 35

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Quoting: masterjuddi

Yeah this was my train of thought too. I just wanted to see what the value of Laine is excluding one of the Canes cornerstone pieces

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19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 35

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Typical quality for quantity offer where the quantity has pretty much nothing that we need.

1st round pick is nice but this team should go pretty deep so it will likely be a later pick.
2nd and 3rd round picks from 2022 likely don't return NHL players and if they do they won't be making an impact until after Scheifele's contract is up and Wheeler has retired.
Skjei with that amount of retention is a good piece, but IMO we're really only looking for a stop gap as we'll have protection issues in the expansion draft with JMo, DeMelo and Pionk needing protection already. Also retaining that much salary for 4 years hasn't ever happened before I don't think.
Nino is another winger and we already have too many of those.
Bokk - see Nino

Looks like a bunch of stuff Carolina would be fine losing but isn't what the Jets would be interested in at all.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 36

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Quoting: csick

well it starts with Pesce or Necas theres no way around that

I would also be fine with Slavin.

Then the Canes keep Hamilton, Pesce, Fleury on RD and go with Skjei, Gardiner, Bean on LD.

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 39

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I would also be fine with Slavin.

Then the Canes keep Hamilton, Pesce, Fleury on RD and go with Skjei, Gardiner, Bean on LD.

Jets would add for Slavin, sorry. That's a no. Same for Dougie. Those two are guys other teams try to trade for, not guys you trade away

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 41

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Quoting: oliwer_smashki

Jets would add for Slavin, sorry. That's a no. Same for Dougie. Those two are guys other teams try to trade for, not guys you trade away

like Laine?

19 oct. 2020 à 11 h 45

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Quoting: jimmyjets

like Laine?

The difference is that Laine seems to not have the greatest relationship with the team right now. Under normal circumstances, yeah, but he seems to want out and the Jets seem to have been shopping him

19 oct. 2020 à 12 h 5

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Quoting: oliwer_smashki

Yeah this was my train of thought too. I just wanted to see what the value of Laine is excluding one of the Canes cornerstone pieces

Maybe Hamilton doesnt wanna be there long term and CAR agrees to deal him with an extension? I dont know...he's probably headed to UFA and will test the market after next season.
He is the type of guy that would making losing Laine palatable. A top 2 dman who plays in all situations at his prime

19 oct. 2020 à 14 h 0

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Not pesce and Necas, it’s one or the other. Both would be an overpay

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