You can try galchenyuk on a 1 year 2m max.....

You don't think he turns that down? Plenty of teams out the willing to give him more I'm sure.

Kubalik just got 2x$3.7m. You don't think Gally's worth more than that on experience alone?

No, not with the situation. Teams are not looking to add big contract. They try to get deal as small as possible. Galchenyuk is on is la chance in the NHL. He get a show me deal on 1 year 2m and the situation is between his hand. Playing with good player and can put up PTS to get a bigger contract next season.

Dude, not teams have the cap space for that lmao. 22 teams cannot afford to sign players over 2 million and the others are likely saving money for their upcoming RFA's in the 2021-22 season. Guys like Haula, Galchenyuk, Brassard, Soderberg, Leivo, and maybe even Hoffman and Dadanov will sign much lower contracts then you may expect.

And also Glachenyuk is not a top 6 player anymore. He is a 3rd line player. He won't get over 2 million even if the cap wasn't staying flat. Joey Anderson also gets 800k max imo.

Hyman won't be traded and your significantly undervaluing both Dermott and Mikheyev. Some LA fans have stated that they would take Mikheyev straight up for Roy, so there is your comparable, and Florida offered Weegar for Johnsson+Dermott according to Elliot Friedman, and the leafs said no, so there is your value for Dermott.

We're not talking about 22 teams we're talking about one. What other teams can and cannot afford is irrelevant.

Galchenyuk has struggled but that's why it's called a "show me" contract. He gets to play with world class line mates and you hope to catch lightning in a bottle for a year. If not maybe you expose him to Seattle. A little risky yes but you gotta pay to play and Galchenyuk has game breaker offensive talent.

Hyman won't be traded? Why becuase you said so? Care to elaborate?

Dermott is a 7D on this team and it shows in his usage. Teams will use that against us in trade negotiations. Mikheyev had a nice rookie season but is a depth forward and again based on his usage on this team it's clear that he's not yet proven to be someone who you can heavily rely on.

Leafs said no to that deal probably because they wouldn't have been able to afford Weegar. GM's make a lot of calls im sure and probably have a ton of alternate scenarios "just in case".

Show me contracts are 1 year usually below market value. For example, Barrie got 1 year at 3.75. That is a show me deal. Galcheyuk is obviously going to get much less then Barrie, so he will get no more then 2 million. Your overvaluing Glachenyuk way to much man. Nobody is going to give him that deal.

Hyman is on the last year of his deal yes, but he just brings so much to the leafs. His work ethic, his ability to win an insane amount of battles, his forchecking and backchecking his ability to play on both special teams, his ability to play in all three zones, and his low cap hit are all something the leafs value way to much to trade him. Even if they do, it will be for a 1st round pick plus a good prospect. I'm being 100% serious about that, they will not move him unless its a massive overpayment.

Dermott is not a 7th D. He actually played top 4 minutes when both Muzzin and Reilly went down last year and basically carried the defensive part of the game for Toronto. The only reason you would call him a 7th defenceman is because the leafs just have so much depth on defence now. I think he plays with Muzzin in the top 4 next year though and that the leafs move on from Holl.

Mikheyev is a solid middle six winger who was unlucky to suffer an injury that basically ended his season. He would have been on pace for around 40-45 points though and usually when players come over from Russia. their point totals go up with each year they play in the NHL as they get more used to the ice and angles of an NHL rink and learn more about the North American style of play.

Weegar is projected to make 3-3.5 million after arbitration. Johnsson is making 3.4 million and Dermott will likely make 1.5 million. Do the math. There is no chance the leafs declined that trade because they cannot afford Weegar as that trade would likely have saved them money. I think they said no because they are very high on Dermott and did not want to move him. I know it may seem dumb, but Dubas has actually done really well with this sorta stuff in the past. Everyone yelled at him when he drafted Sandin over Veleno, but look how that turned out. Dubas is smart, he knows what he is doing.

Hyman, Mikheyev, Engvall >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chucky, JUmbo

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Guess player A and Player B

Its Chucky. Not Gally. Gally is Gallagher. Thank You.

I'm gonna guess one of them is Dermott lol. Any hints on the other?

If that's a show me contract what would he have been worth if he actually played well last year? Pietrangelo $$?

He got a shot with Malkin last year and couldn't make it work.

Also re: an earlier comment about Dermott. He played 17min/night last season. He was never a healthy scratch. What a ridiculous comment to say he was used as a 7th dman.

I wondering, did you miss the entire 19-20 season??

Je m'excuse.

I'm sure his camp will try for more than $4.75m on a long term contract. You can't just give up on guys with that kind of skill. Montreal clearly wasn't the best place to foster his balls to the wall style and then he had to deal with the tire fire of an organization that is ARI and got buried on PIT who is full of stars and guys who have settled into top 6 roles before he got there. Not really fair for his development. He did well in MIN for what it's worth albeit in a small sample size. Imagine him with Matthews & Marner. Especially on the PP. That's Keefe's style he likes to stack skill up on a single line and when the Leafs played at their best most urgent most exciting pace they had all the big boys on the ice together. It's nice to have skill guys like that so you can stack them in this new barnburner high scoring fast pace league which the Leafs excel at.

Dermott filled in for Muzzin and Rielly when they were hurt and played up in the lineup solely because they needed him to. Solid NHL defensemen but with Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Lehtonen, Sandin & Bogo where do you fit him?

Correct but which one is Dermott? Player A or B?
The other player is an American, he went undrafted and is on term deal at the moment.

I guarantee you Chucky doesn't get big $$ or big term. Guys don't bounce between 4 orgs in 2-3 years if they are young $5M players.

Leafs have plenty of skill, they need another Hyman type to play in the top 6. If they are getting another fwd for that type of $$, toss a 2nd to TB for Killorn.

Also, Pitt was ravaged with injuries last year, and Chucky still played 4th line minutes.

Bjugstad, Marleau, Kahun, Aston-Reese, Tanev, Blueger, Simon all played more minutes than him 5v5. Not one of those guys should be in his way to play with Malkin if he's up for it.

Re: Dermott - where does he fit when considering all the Leafs D at the moment? I'd slot him in ahead of the 3 that's he's better than. Not that hard.

Player A is Dermott. The age gives it away. As far as I can tell no undrafted players currently fit the criteria you posted. Maybe you're mistaken as to their history? Ooh soo mysterious lol

Correct.

Player B is Nate Schmidt


Man lie
Woman lie
Stats, dont lie.

Dermott is better then you think.

Thanks random person on the internet for you expert wisdom. I'm sure you've lived a long storied life of full of top hockey analyses and are best buddies with some GMs.

People come here to extrapolate and attempt to prognosticate. You trolls who come out just to bash other's opinions are just sad antisocial people. Maybe you should try to have a conversation with me and persuade me instead of giving simple terse answers which are clearly made in an attempt to discredit my assumptions. All I'm doing here is trying to convince others of my vision which I feel like I'm doing it respectfully and have a little fun while I'm at it. Who knows maybe I'll change my mind. Don't take it so seriously dude your derisive tone insinuates how pigheaded you are without even trying to explain your position or reason with mine.

Flames cant take that salary

Yeah either that or Schidmt isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be.

The only glaring differences in the stat comparison you've provided are 5v5 P/60 & WAR which I'm sure could be heavily inflated by the The Leafs great offence. The P/60 at the very least of course. Matthews for example scores a crazy amount 5v5. Does Dermott being on the ice when that happens increase his value tangibly or just ostensibly. Stats don't lie because they can't speak. You have to suss the information and deeper context out for yourself. I'm not sure how WAR is calculated in hockey but as I know from baseball WAR doesn't always tell the whole story. It's mostly a metric to gauge the general value of a player over a season but can get kinda wonky if you use it as an end all evaluator in a this player is better than that player conversation. I personally don't dabble too much in advanced analytics in hockey yet because they seem to be not as sophisticated as MLB's at this point in time. At least not what the public has access to. How is hockey WAR even calculated?

Again I'm not saying Dermott is bad. What I'm saying is he doesn't fit in our lineup and is going to make more than we can afford rendering him an overpaid 7D on what hopes to be a Stanley Cup contender. The Leafs don't have time to develop him.

If you want to get technical Washington literally got zero compensation for Schmidt. The Leafs might as well get something now if they can right? 1 in the hand and all of that...

Like I said placeholder trades. Flames have 17 guys on their roster right now (with 3 goalies mind you) according to this website and need bodies. Cheap bodies. Plus you can send Engvall down as he is waivers exempt and his cap hit will only be $175k. They can fit it.

I would get him signed to his QO and extend him later OR trade later if the right offer comes.

In hockey injuries happen more often than you think.
Having Dermott to slot up will prove invaluable.

What if he wants more than his QO? What if he doesn't want to sign an extension? What if the right offer never comes and you're forced to try to squeeze him through waivers in a cap crunch? The thing is for most guys who aren't star players, it's never really a perfect time to trade them. You use them until they become too expensive and then you trade them. I think it's time to trade Dermott. I totally see the alternate perspective where you want him to be part of the core for years to come but with Sandin in the fold as a younger cheaper higher ceiling prospect does Dermott really have a place in TOR in the future? I really just want to see Galchenyuk score a hatty vs. MON. That would make my day lol

Galchenyuk is not worth 4+ million though.
UFA market is dry, he will be lucky to even a 2 year deal right now.

I dont think Galchenyuk can play effectively in a way it helps us, and he would be bottom 6 FW on this team at best.

I am not convinced that extending Rielly is the right move, this is why I'm not ready to move on from Dermott.

I am hoping Sandin can emerge and replace Rielly.

And Lehtonen is probably only here for the year only as if he proves can play he will be gone as UFA and if doesnt prove it, back to KHL he goes.

Look at what Anderson just got in MTL. That's why it's risky to say this player is worth this and that player is worth that etc. because different GMs value different players differently depending on need and desperation. If you're going to overpay a guy based on desperation, which yes I am suggesting, keep in mind that this isn't a death sentence. A lot of GMs end up have had to resort to this tactic to get them over the hump when they hit a rough patch. Kessel won 2 cups in PIT and many said he wasn't worth his contract, he's overpaid etc. In retrospect Kessel was worth every penny of every deal he signed because had he not signed them he wouldn't have become a cup winner.

Worst case Ontario Chucky's underperforms and ends up as one of the guys you choose to expose to Seattle along with Kerfoot, Campbell & a mystery D, who mind you very well might have to be Dermott if you keep him.

Chucky's 26 years old has 500+ games played & has consistently put up ~50P a season on garbage offensive teams (MTL '13-'14 = 21st GF/G, MTL '14-'15 = 18th GF/G, MTL '15-'16 16th GF/G, MTL '16-'17 = 15th GF/G, MTL '17-'18 = 29th GF/G, ARI '18-'19 = 27th GF/G, PIT '19-'20 = 13th & MIN '19-'20 = 15th GF/G).

I'm not insinuating I know what Dubas is thinking I'm just saying that he seems to value speed, high end puck skills and shooting more than anything else. You can add NHL experience to that list now it seems as he tries to insulate his guys with cheap talent. You can teach players all you want but chances are they won't just become more offensively gifted with practice. Some guys will but it's easier to teach defensive positioning offensive awareness etc. Chucky has real talent. He needs a real opportunity to succeed on the right team with the right line mates before you can just write him off. He's been mismanaged his whole career and still played a ton and put up respectable point totals. I think Toronto is a prime destination for him and to keep him happy and not feel the pressure of having to play outside of his ability and assure he feels welcomed you overpay him a touch just for peace of mind for both parties. You want him to believe he can do it not beat him into the ground like PIT and play him on the 4th line that's just asinine and counter-productive.

Anyways who would you like to see beside Matthews & Marner? Hyman? Don't you think we should cash in on a pending FA who we acquired for Greg freaking McKegg and come out with a second basically for nothing? You might be able to persuade a team to add a low level prospect but I think a 1st+ for Hyman is optimistic. Maybe at the deadline because he's got such a sweetheart contract but then if you're selling at the deadline and you're the Leafs then there's a problem. Better to act now and add skill and cash in on your investment.

PS. My trades air on the conservative side just for the sake of what I consider to a more realistic scenario. I'm not saying you can't get a 3rd and a prospect for Dermott. That's certainly not out of the question.

Also If you want tot talk about the current market being depressed as far as earning then that would also mean that teams will be more resistant to trading their early draft picks this year and next (at the very least) knowing that they can potentially plug these guys into their lineup's for close to minimum for a at least 3 years. Only two teams were involved in one trade involving 1st round picks at the draft and it was only for more picks lol. I personally believe that 1st round draft picks will be extremely overvalued in the coming few years as teams try to recoup lost revenue.