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Laine and Fox

Créé par: Tedeward
Équipe: 2020-21 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 5 oct. 2020
Publié: 6 oct. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Per a recent Frank Seravalli tweet, NYR is in deep cap trouble with the bonus cushion limit. They need to shed players with performance bonuses. Would Fox be available? He's obviously a great dman and would be a good replacement if we trade Sanheim for Laine. His best quality though is that he is expansion draft exempt, so we can still go after a guy like Pietrangelo or Krug. Only question is what would it take to get him. I feel like NYR fans will say this isn't enough but I don't really know how to value him... input is welcome. The Laine trade, on the other hand, I feel is fair value and fits us with the cap.

Seattle Protection would look like:
Forwards - Giroux, Couturier, Hayes, Laine, Lindblom, Patrick, Konecny
Defensemen - Provorov, Krug, Myers
Goalie - Hart

Voracek, Smith, or NAK liklely selected
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
33 000 000 $
11 100 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 800 000 $
68 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Smith, Craig
34 500 000 $
Transactions
1.
PHI
    Retires
    ANA
    1. Niskanen, Matt
    2.
    PHI
    1. Laine, Patrik
    2. Vesalainen, Kristian
    WPG
    1. Frost, Morgan
    2. Sanheim, Travis
    3. van Riemsdyk, James
    4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (PHI)
    3.
    PHI
    1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
    BUF
    1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    4.
    PHI
    1. Fox, Adam
    2. Rykov, Yegor
    NYR
    1. Laughton, Scott
    2. Vesalainen, Kristian
    3. Zamula, Yegor
    4. Choix de 7e ronde en 2020 (MTL)
    5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $68 912 465 $66 037 $1 452 500 $12 587 535 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    Giroux, Claude
    4 137 500 $4 137 500 $
    AD, C
    NMC
    UFA - 2
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    Couturier, Sean
    4 333 333 $4 333 333 $
    C
    UFA - 2
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    Laine, Patrik
    4 995 000 $4 995 000 $
    C, AD, AG
    UFA - 1
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    Hayes, Kevin
    3 571 429 $3 571 429 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 6
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    Voracek, Jakub
    8 250 000 $8 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
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    Lindblom, Oskar
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 3
    Smith, Craig
    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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    Konecny, Travis
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 5
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    Raffl, Michael
    1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Patrick, Nolan
    1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
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    Farabee, Joel
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
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    Bunnaman, Connor
    736 666 $736 666 $ (Bonis de performance20 000 $$20K)
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
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    Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    1 075 000 $1 075 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    Provorov, Ivan
    4 725 000 $4 725 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
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    Myers, Philippe
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
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    Hart, Carter
    730 833 $730 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
    G
    RFA - 1
    Krug, Torey
    8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 7
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    Fox, Adam
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
    DD
    UFA - 2
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    Elliott, Brian
    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
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    Braun, Justin
    1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
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    Hägg, Robert
    1 600 000 $1 600 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 2
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    Friedman, Mark
    725 000 $725 000 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 2

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    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 26
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    An absolute no from rangers
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 27
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    Fox is also untouchable
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 27
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    That is no where near enough for Fox
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 28
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    Gtfo with that Fox trade
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 29
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    Quoting: Rino911
    An absolute no from rangers


    Quoting: Rino911
    Fox is also untouchable


    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 31
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    I think you need a couple more picks for Laine
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 31
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?

    We trading smith soon. That’s what’s happening and letting Strome go to fa than trade for Danult or potentially Offer sheet cierelli but prob not
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 32
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    Buffalo accepts
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 32
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    Also the value is not enough on the Flyers side.
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 32
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    Quoting: TheDime99
    That is no where near enough for Fox


    Quoting: buchiegang
    Gtfo with that Fox trade


    If we are trading Sanheim for Laine, I think I would be willing to form a package around Farabee for Fox. But the problem is that adds to NYR's bonus issue. I guess Fox just wouldn't work in a trade, but I seriously have no idea how NYR is gonna do the gymnastics to get cap compliant with the bonus issue on top of the buyout cap hits.
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 35
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    This is what I feared. But who are the Rangers going to trade in order to stay under the bonus cushion limit? The only other options are Kakko and Sheshterkin. Or are they going to shed cap another way (eg trade Smith)?


    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more roster spots filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to go to FAs and therefore more working cap. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that. Seravellis tweet is a little misleading...
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 36
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    Quoting: Rino911
    We trading smith soon. That’s what’s happening and letting Strome go to fa than trade for Danult or potentially Offer sheet cierelli but prob not


    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 37
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    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more Forster floats filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to gov two FAs. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that...


    OK that makes more sense. Admittedly, I think I saw the tweet from Frank and jumped the gun on Fox.
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 42
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986

    we aren’t in a bad cap situation at all. We are in a good one rn, we can get Danult rn for 3 mil bc that’s what’s he is under contract for so
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 42
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    Quoting: Tedeward
    I don't know if that will be enough to get you compliant. In fairness, I havent played around with NYR armchair yet. But I most definetely can't see you getting cirelli or danault. Did you see what Seravalli posted today? It seems like a huge issue. Or am I missing something?

    Link to Seravalli's tweet: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1313515776754814986


    Your missing in that you seem to think the bonus limit is a hard line, where if they are over the ~6m in bonuses that make up 7.5% of the cap, they have to shed players that have bonuses to get compliant. Thats not it. They just lose dollars in real cap space for those additional bonus dollars. So the Rangers show 23m in cap space with CF right now but are really closer to 18m when you factor in Laffy. They arent just gonna give away Fox for some space lol. Easier ways to clear money.
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 44
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    Quoting: buchiegang
    There are better ways then to part with Fox. Yes true the more players with bonuses that are in the lineup the lower the working cap for this year however. All those players are on ELCs and are under a million dollars. So the more roster spots filled with ELCs the less cap has to be spent on roster players. And vice versa, the less ELC players on the roster, the more cap available to go to FAs and therefore more working cap. Rangers will likely decide on keeping one of ADA or Strome (seems like ADA form initial reports) and move Smith if they have to. Not only are they not moving Fox for that purpose, they are not trading him for that. Seravellis tweet is a little misleading...
    exactly what I’m thinkin but I didn’t feel like writing a paragraph to him lol
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 47
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    Quoting: BSpadaro83
    Your missing in that you seem to think the bonus limit is a hard line, where if they are over the ~6m in bonuses that make up 7.5% of the cap, they have to shed players that have bonuses to get compliant. Thats not it. They just lose dollars in real cap space for those additional bonus dollars. So the Rangers show 23m in cap space with CF right now but are really closer to 18m when you factor in Laffy. They arent just gonna give away Fox for some space lol. Easier ways to clear money.


    Quoting: Rino911
    exactly what I’m thinkin but I didn’t feel like writing a paragraph to him lol


    Yeah I was confused on how the bonus cushion works. I see now that its more of like a tax than a limit. Thanks for explaining guys.
    6 oct. 2020 à 13 h 49
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    I highly doubt Winnipeg takes back JVR as a cap dump without compensation.
     
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