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Keeping the 1st

Créé par: RangerWall92
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 25 sept. 2020
Publié: 25 sept. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 150 000 $
11 750 000 $
1700 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1700 000 $
1950 000 $
1800 000 $
33 125 000 $
Transactions
1.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WSH)
2.
TOR
  1. Severson, Damon (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
NJD
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (WSH)
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Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 20
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How about:
Miles Wood
Connor Carrick
Two 2nds

For Nylander and a 6th?
25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 23
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
How about:
Miles Wood
Connor Carrick
Two 2nds

For Nylander and a 6th?


To compare a package for Severson to a similar package for Nylander is thoughtless. Nylander is a much higher level of player than severson. Therefore your cute attempt at a troll has been wasted.
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25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 27
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
How about:
Miles Wood
Connor Carrick
Two 2nds

For Nylander and a 6th?


Ooof. If you're going to make a comment like that, do better with it.
25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 29
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Ooof. If you're going to make a comment like that, do better with it.


Quoting: TheOtherAuston
To compare a package for Severson to a similar package for Nylander is thoughtless. Nylander is a much higher level of player than severson. Therefore your cute attempt at a troll has been wasted.


Every single leafs post overrates their own players.

Every. Single. One.

It’s unbelievable.
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25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 33
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Every single leafs post overrates their own players.

Every. Single. One.

It’s unbelievable.


When you have great players it's not overating I'm simply stating facts Severson is a slightly (and I mean slightly) above average defender. Nylander on the other hand is not a slightly above average forward, see where I'm going with this? Nylander brings a parayko caliber d man not Severson, I never said the posted trade would be fair but it's not far off at all.
25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 34
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Every single leafs post overrates their own players.

Every. Single. One.

It’s unbelievable.


Also I'm told daily that I'm not getting a large enough return on some deals from opposing fans because I don't want to overate players.
25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 35
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Every single leafs post overrates their own players.

Every. Single. One.

It’s unbelievable.


Blatantly false.
25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 40
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Devils pass
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25 sept. 2020 à 22 h 53
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When you have great players it's not overating I'm simply stating facts Severson is a slightly (and I mean slightly) above average defender. Nylander on the other hand is not a slightly above average forward, see where I'm going with this? Nylander brings a parayko caliber d man not Severson, I never said the posted trade would be fair but it's not far off at all.


I would think Nylander for Severson would be closer that this pile of scraps, or as you say, “great players”
25 sept. 2020 à 23 h 14
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I agree with the bottom six forwards. DeMelo is overpaid, but I would like him on the bottom pair around $2 mill. And Lehtonen will run the
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26 sept. 2020 à 2 h 16
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Every single leafs post overrates their own players.

Every. Single. One.

It’s unbelievable.


How many players on the devils scored more than nylander? Just wondering smile
26 sept. 2020 à 5 h 32
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Quoting: CeciGOAT
How many players on the devils scored more than nylander? Just wondering smile


Are we taking about careers, single seasons, average rates?

Over a singe season?
2019-20: [NYLANDER], Palmieri, Coleman, Bratt, Hall, Hischier
2018-19: Palmieri, Coleman, Zajac, Hischier, Zacha, Boyle, Johannsson, Severson, Hall, Wood, [NYLANDER], Bratt, Rooney
2017-18: Hall, Palmieiri, Hischier, [NYLANDER], Wood, Bratt
2016-17: Palmieri, [NYLANDER], Hall, Henrique
2015-16: Palmieri, Henrique, Stempniak, Zajac, Cammalleri, Boucher, Kalinin, Farnham, Schlemko, [NYLANDER], Blandisi, Moore

Since Nylander arrived in NHL: Palmieri, Hall, [NYLANDER], Zajac, Coleman
Scoring Rate (G/GP): Palmieri, Hall, Henrique, [NYLANDER], Hischier, Coleman

But clearly TOR and NJD are different teams with different offenses (#2 ranked offense vs #25 ranked offense).

If you adjust for team and use individual's xGF/60: Palmieri, Hischier, Hall, [NYLANDER], Coleman, Gusev

Nylander is a good offensive player. He would be in NJD top-6 and help increase their scoring. Not questioning that at all.

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The question is about the package they are offering (Holl, Malgin and two picks) for Severson (with 36% retained) which is nowhere close to a fair package. Nylander would be more fair.

Everyday, NJD fans see these 4-for-1 type offers from TOR....usually consisting of Holl, Dermott, Malgin, Bracco, Johnsson, Engvall, etc for Severson and Palmieri. And Leafs fans say they are fair or sometimes that their side is overpaying.

The fair trade for Severson is something like this: Severson for Sandin + 2020 1st round pick. Or Severson + lesser piece for Nylander.
For Palmieri: It would be Robertson + 2nd, Sandin +1st or similar.

But until these guys are traded...or until season starts....we will suffer the endless offers like "Dermont, Engvall, Bracco, 2nd" for your best player. No other teams fan base does this. Tons of Severson/Palmieri offers have come from VAN, WPG, CGY, BOS, EDM, NYI, COL, CAR...a few bad ones, mostly ok offers.....but none like what we see daily from TOR fans. Which is why I responded they way I did.
26 sept. 2020 à 8 h 8
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
I would think Nylander for Severson would be closer that this pile of scraps, or as you say, “great players”


No no I didn't not say great players involving the johnsson deal I said great players after my comment about Nylander. Don't put words in my mouth.
26 sept. 2020 à 8 h 12
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Are we taking about careers, single seasons, average rates?

Over a singe season?
2019-20: [NYLANDER], Palmieri, Coleman, Bratt, Hall, Hischier
2018-19: Palmieri, Coleman, Zajac, Hischier, Zacha, Boyle, Johannsson, Severson, Hall, Wood, [NYLANDER], Bratt, Rooney
2017-18: Hall, Palmieiri, Hischier, [NYLANDER], Wood, Bratt
2016-17: Palmieri, [NYLANDER], Hall, Henrique
2015-16: Palmieri, Henrique, Stempniak, Zajac, Cammalleri, Boucher, Kalinin, Farnham, Schlemko, [NYLANDER], Blandisi, Moore

Since Nylander arrived in NHL: Palmieri, Hall, [NYLANDER], Zajac, Coleman
Scoring Rate (G/GP): Palmieri, Hall, Henrique, [NYLANDER], Hischier, Coleman

But clearly TOR and NJD are different teams with different offenses (#2 ranked offense vs #25 ranked offense).

If you adjust for team and use individual's xGF/60: Palmieri, Hischier, Hall, [NYLANDER], Coleman, Gusev

Nylander is a good offensive player. He would be in NJD top-6 and help increase their scoring. Not questioning that at all.

-----

The question is about the package they are offering (Holl, Malgin and two picks) for Severson (with 36% retained) which is nowhere close to a fair package. Nylander would be more fair.

Everyday, NJD fans see these 4-for-1 type offers from TOR....usually consisting of Holl, Dermott, Malgin, Bracco, Johnsson, Engvall, etc for Severson and Palmieri. And Leafs fans say they are fair or sometimes that their side is overpaying.

The fair trade for Severson is something like this: Severson for Sandin + 2020 1st round pick. Or Severson + lesser piece for Nylander.
For Palmieri: It would be Robertson + 2nd, Sandin +1st or similar.

But until these guys are traded...or until season starts....we will suffer the endless offers like "Dermont, Engvall, Bracco, 2nd" for your best player. No other teams fan base does this. Tons of Severson/Palmieri offers have come from VAN, WPG, CGY, BOS, EDM, NYI, COL, CAR...a few bad ones, mostly ok offers.....but none like what we see daily from TOR fans. Which is why I responded they way I did.


Holl malgin is not the posted package space cadet, its johnsson liljegren and two seconds.

Also severson doesn't get sandin and a first
 
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