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Tarasenko

Créé par: aspina25
Équipe: 2020-21 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 23 août 2020
Publié: 23 août 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
A blues fan put forth this offer, wanted to see what it'd look like
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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Lafreniere, Alexis
3925 000 $
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  1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
  2. Hájek, Libor
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (CAR)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
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23 août 2020 à 11 h 28
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As much as Id love to have Tarasenko, it will illicit to much PTSD from the draft where they chose McIlrath over him.
23 août 2020 à 11 h 30
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23 août 2020 à 11 h 37
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23 août 2020 à 11 h 49
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23 août 2020 à 12 h 2
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Yeah I’d still do this.
Need a 4th line that can PK, though.
23 août 2020 à 12 h 14
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Our top 6 wings are not the issue haha
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23 août 2020 à 12 h 15
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Put K. K. on the second line

I actually think this is a really good team

Especially since the best players are paid, 2 year window of Kk AL on rookie deals.

Gotta win before 22-23 because MZ gonna get PAID
23 août 2020 à 12 h 17
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It doesn't matter what you need, you don't pass up the opportunity for an elite player in his prime.

This takes pressure off of Kakko. We already know that Strome is capable of holding his own when he's got Panarin on his wing and having Buch on the other one will only further that. You'd have 2 lines that would each easily be #1 lines on half the teams in the league and you'd have a third line with 2 highly touted prospects and a strong Filip Chytil
23 août 2020 à 12 h 18
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Our top 6 wings are not the issue haha


They definitely aren't the issue, but it relieves so much pressure from the younger ones and can help the centers when you have play driving wingers
23 août 2020 à 12 h 23
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They definitely aren't the issue, but it relieves so much pressure from the younger ones and can help the centers when you have play driving wingers


no doubt this would be scary if he could stay healthy
23 août 2020 à 12 h 29
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Tarasenko is a phenomenal player...

Now that that's out of the way, this really doesn't make a lot of sense for the Rangers.

As the team stands now, there is a log jam at RW. Buchnevich, Kakko, Kravtsov, Gauthier and a host of other players up and down the roster that can easily play RW.

Throw into this, that they also have a log jam at LW now, assuming they pick LaFreniere, Panarin, Kreider, Lemieux and again a host of other players like Chytil, Howden, Barron..on and on.

You're adding to a position of strength that doesn't need any help, nor has the space to accommodate that help. I am actually looking for the Rangers to move someone like Buchnevich in order to move Kreider to RW, simply because it would be counterproductive to have LaFreniere playing 3/4th line minutes.

On top of this, the Rangers give up lots of draft capital, a LD prospect and goalie for the pleasure? I realize to get a player like Tarasenko you have to give up a lot, but wouldn't those assets be better used on a center?

Sprinkle on top of this the cap nightmare this deal puts you into...

Beyond the fantasy value... it just makes ZERO sense!
23 août 2020 à 12 h 34
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Quoting: aspina25
It doesn't matter what you need, you don't pass up the opportunity for an elite player in his prime.

This takes pressure off of Kakko. We already know that Strome is capable of holding his own when he's got Panarin on his wing and having Buch on the other one will only further that. You'd have 2 lines that would each easily be #1 lines on half the teams in the league and you'd have a third line with 2 highly touted prospects and a strong Filip Chytil


It doesn't matter what you need? Huh? lol

What pressure? Kakko played the entire season on the third line! The Rangers have been super patient and slow with him, if anything they need to push him up the lines and give him more ice time..not less! This would relegate him to 3rd line minutes...that does nothing for his growth. The Rangers have a veteran presence all over the lineup, it's part of the beauty of their rebuild..there is no pressure on Kakko..at all!

The Rangers have their elite winger in Panarin..I'd be much more concerned about developing Kakko and Laffy to join that status, not stunt them in favor of an necessary piece of eye-candy.

I love the enthusiasm, I don't want to come off as a jerk..we are all Ranger fans...but these points are just silly!
23 août 2020 à 12 h 56
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It doesn't matter what you need? Huh? lol

What pressure? Kakko played the entire season on the third line! The Rangers have been super patient and slow with him, if anything they need to push him up the lines and give him more ice time..not less! This would relegate him to 3rd line minutes...that does nothing for his growth. The Rangers have a veteran presence all over the lineup, it's part of the beauty of their rebuild..there is no pressure on Kakko..at all!

The Rangers have their elite winger in Panarin..I'd be much more concerned about developing Kakko and Laffy to join that status, not stunt them in favor of an necessary piece of eye-candy.

I love the enthusiasm, I don't want to come off as a jerk..we are all Ranger fans...but these points are just silly!


You don't want to have to rely on a guy who had some of the worst stats in the league last year to produce.

I get what you're saying with not wanting to stunt his growth, but if he proves himself early on, you can easily trade Buch for at least a 1st and at that point you've made a very significant jump from Buch to Tarasenko for likely ~1.5mil against the cap (assuming his next contract comes in at ~6), a 1st and 2 pieces that are so far down the depth chart they wouldn't make a significant impact on the team anyway.
23 août 2020 à 13 h 29
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Quoting: aspina25
You don't want to have to rely on a guy who had some of the worst stats in the league last year to produce.

I get what you're saying with not wanting to stunt his growth, but if he proves himself early on, you can easily trade Buch for at least a 1st and at that point you've made a very significant jump from Buch to Tarasenko for likely ~1.5mil against the cap (assuming his next contract comes in at ~6), a 1st and 2 pieces that are so far down the depth chart they wouldn't make a significant impact on the team anyway.


Imo the rangers have a few moves to make and winning the draft lottery just made them a contender that much faster.

1) they are a little heavy on the left side, moving kreoder for a right wing would make some sense.
2.) Look at it from stl perspective. They're in their window for winning the cup now. Why would they want draft picks , a 3rd starting goaltender, all the while giving up their best scorer?
3) if you want to move your goalie and get a right winger, a better move so with Calgary for johnny
23 août 2020 à 13 h 41
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It doesn't matter what you need, you don't pass up the opportunity for an elite player in his prime.

This takes pressure off of Kakko. We already know that Strome is capable of holding his own when he's got Panarin on his wing and having Buch on the other one will only further that. You'd have 2 lines that would each easily be #1 lines on half the teams in the league and you'd have a third line with 2 highly touted prospects and a strong Filip Chytil


Lol, also you can't just dump a contract onto LTIR for the cap. But it should put it into perspective that NY is going to have cap issues shortly. Especially once Lafreniere gets out of ELC
23 août 2020 à 14 h 43
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Quoting: Sarakas
Imo the rangers have a few moves to make and winning the draft lottery just made them a contender that much faster.

1) they are a little heavy on the left side, moving kreoder for a right wing would make some sense.
2.) Look at it from stl perspective. They're in their window for winning the cup now. Why would they want draft picks , a 3rd starting goaltender, all the while giving up their best scorer?
3) if you want to move your goalie and get a right winger, a better move so with Calgary for johnny


Quoting: Sarakas
Lol, also you can't just dump a contract onto LTIR for the cap. But it should put it into perspective that NY is going to have cap issues shortly. Especially once Lafreniere gets out of ELC


1. This trade was proposed by a St.Louis fan, I was just seeing what it looked like on the rangers side

2. There have been numerous rumors of Hank retiring back to Sweden, so it's not like I'm just dumping him on LTIR with no basis
23 août 2020 à 18 h 31
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You don't want to have to rely on a guy who had some of the worst stats in the league last year to produce.


Who do you mean? Kakko? lol? The guy was 18 years old playing paltry third line minutes on the youngest team in the league. Are you implying he's a bust? All of a sudden he isn't the Rangers 1RW of the future? With that logic, lets do this instead....swing a three team deal and send Tarasenko to the Devils ....just have them send Hughes to the Rangers since he's a bust too! Makes more sense already! lol

I truly don't understand the logic behind your statement at all, but I'll take a stab at a reply anyway...

Yes, the Rangers DO want to rely on him, that's why they drafted him. Moving him to the 2nd line is the logical progression for his growth. If he isn't somehow up to the task (doubtful)...the Rangers (again) have RW options up and down the lineup who can easily step in. Strome had a career year and Panarin was on pace for 100 points playing with JESPER FAST as their RW lol. Kakko will do just fine!

I'm going to predict it now, Kreider or Panarin see time at RW this season, and I have a feeling Buch gets moved. Not because they need RW's, but because they have to make space for Lafreniere to get top 6 minutes, it would be foolish to do otherwise. Which just underlines the fact that Kakko needs to also be getting top 6 minutes this season. A mix of say:

Panarin Mika Kakko
Laffy Strome Kreider...

or

Laffy Mika Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko

Gives both lines a kid with two vets to carry the weight and teach them a thing or two.

I will say it again because winning the first pick in the draft seems to have given people amnesia. The Rangers are the youngest team in the league! Hence R E B U I L D I N G! Having your draft picks grow into the lineup and become what you'd hoped is part of that process. The idea that they suddenly trade assets for a 28 year old (as great as he is) $8m player who plays a position you're loaded at....to stunt the growth of all of your other winger prospects in the organization....is completely counter to what the Rangers plan has been over the last 3 seasons! You don't go 3/4 of one season into Kakko's progress (not to mention Kravtsov) and just give up on the guy by putting a bunch of veterans in his way. For better or worse, their playing this kid and are going to give him every opportunity to prove he can't do the job. I would really question Gorton's and JD's thinking if they did otherwise!

Again, the clear and glaring need is at 2C. Trading 2 1st rounders, a potential starting goalie and a 2/3LD should be able to easily solve that issue, and would be a much better use of their assets.

Sorry, I assumed you were a Ranger fan. Being a Blues fan helps explain the proposal as a feeler without a firm understanding of what the org thinks of Kakko or the team as a whole. But again...as someone familiar with the Rangers, this deal just doesn't work.
 
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