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Spit Balling on Ehlers

Créé par: ChiHawk
Équipe: 2020-21 Blackhawks de Chicago
Date de création initiale: 12 août 2020
Publié: 12 août 2020
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CHI
  1. Ehlers, Nikolaj
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (WPG)
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  1. DeBrincat, Alex
  2. Strome, Dylan [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
Strome = $4M x 3 years
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  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (ANA)
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anywhere
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  1. Smith, Zack
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (CHI)
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (CHI)
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  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
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  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Liste de réserve]
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  1. Caggiula, Drake
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (NJD)
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13 août 2020 à 13 h 12
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If the jets really wanted strome so badly, they would just offer sheet him and give up a second round pick. Wouldn’t have to lose Ehlers then. You’re gonna need to attach a second or third round pick to Smith if you’re gonna dump him off to a team.
13 août 2020 à 13 h 13
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Quoting: Wadejos123
I would be in for Ehlers+Roslovic+3rd for Strome+Cat


Not bad. What about including Caggs going back? Maybe create a AGM with this?
13 août 2020 à 13 h 14
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Not bad. What about including Caggs going back? Maybe create a AGM with this?


just did
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13 août 2020 à 13 h 14
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If the jets really wanted strome so badly, they would just offer sheet him and give up a second round pick. Wouldn’t have to lose Ehlers then. You’re gonna need to attach a second or third round pick to Smith if you’re gonna dump him off to a team.


Because you won't get Strome for an offer sheet, or least one that only requires a 2nd round pick.
13 août 2020 à 13 h 16
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If the contract is 4 mil x 3 years, then it would only be a second round pick.
13 août 2020 à 13 h 18
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Quoting: kuzystash
If the contract is 4 mil x 3 years, then it would only be a second round pick.


That's my point, you won't win an offer sheet for that, the Hawks will counter plus Strome loves Chicago...he has to agree to leave on an offer sheet or even entertain them.
13 août 2020 à 15 h 51
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@exo2769

Guys, Ehlers is not a pure goal scorer, if you are comparing Debrincat to Ehlers purely on points you are missing the point. Ehlers is far more complete player then Debrincat and not just a pure scorer.


Quoting: ChiHawk
We would never get Ehlers 1 for 1 for Debrincat and sure as hell not Strome. Ehlers is a dynamic winger more in the same light as Kane. He transitions the zones, sets up plays, unlike Kane gets back to play defense. Debrincat is none of those things, he's a pure goal scorer and not very good on defense, often times coughs the puck up transitioning and entering the offensive zone, etc. Debrincat is highly valuable because of his ability to put it in the net which is better in that regards then Ehlers, but with Kubalik emerging in that role who's bigger and stronger, I think we can give up Debrincat. I also think what the Hawks lack is another Kane like winger in the top 6 and have for some time. A line of Ehlers - Dach - Kane will be much more productive then Cat - Dach - Kane IMO.


I'm sorry, but Ehlers isn't worth moving DeBrincat, what DeBrincat does offensively is more valuable to the hawks than what Ehlers does defensively. He's having a down year but that's no reason to sell that low on him. His game will eventually round out to be good in his own end at some point, he's younger than Ehlers by a few years, so it really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
13 août 2020 à 16 h 7
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Quoting: NickC1988
I'm sorry, but Ehlers isn't worth moving DeBrincat, what DeBrincat does offensively is more valuable to the hawks than what Ehlers does defensively. He's having a down year but that's no reason to sell that low on him. His game will eventually round out to be good in his own end at some point, he's younger than Ehlers by a few years, so it really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.


Debrincat is younger then Ehlers by less then 2 years (22 months), not a few years. Debrincat is going to end up averaging around 30 goals and 65 points is my guess and make no mistake, that's awesome. However, teams know who he is now, have studied him, and know how to contain him to the point he would be very hard pressed to put up 41 goals again. As a 20 year old when he had that big year, my guess is teams were not focusing containment strategy around him. This is also similar to how the Oilers shut down Kubalik large in part after the first game he had, they woke up and focused on playing kubalik defensively much tighter and not allowing him space. If you watched closely this year compared to last year, teams were doing the same with Debrincat this year.

Ehlers, albeit different, overall is a better player then Debrincat, although not by a wide margin but it's the intangibles that Ehlers brings to the ice...not sure what objectively can be said to object. If you look at advanced analytics, Ehlers Fenwick, Corsi and PDO plus possession quality are all better which hands down suggests Ehlers is a bit better then Debrincat.

@exo2769 including you in the discussion, my bad
 
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