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Gourde to Colorado

Créé par: Richard88
Équipe: 2020-21 Lightning de Tampa Bay
Date de création initiale: 28 juill. 2020
Publié: 28 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
1785 000 $
1735 000 $
24 500 000 $
24 500 000 $
1875 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
21 000 000 $
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TBL
  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2021 (COL)
COL
  1. Gourde, Yanni (666 666 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (TBL)
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  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (DET)
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  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (NJD)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NSH)
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TBL
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (CGY)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
CGY
  1. Cernak, Erik [Droits de RFA]
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30 juill. 2020 à 11 h 39
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Quoting: dca919
so just straight up: 5 years x 5.25M for (so 4 years of control on a reasonable contract. Improving every year. Coming off 47 points and one of the few that showed up with grit in the Lightnings playoff series) gets traded for a 3rd that year and a lottery-protected 1st rounder (so figure 16-17 at best) the following year on a team that is moving through it's rebuild and up in the standings each of the past years..less than offer sheet compensation as no draft protection on those...again pennies on the dollar...I am sure it's standard protocol to trade young guns that are improving on reasonable contracts...happens all the time.

Killorn has a 16 no trade clause which means all he has to do is list the 16 teams with cap room and he gets a full NTC basically and still leaves room to block Winnipeg.

Go to Tampa's team page and tell me what is 20-21's projected cap space, roster size:
PROJECTED CAP SPACE $5,333,334
ROSTER SIZE 15

Now go to the buyout page use next offseason by selecting after July 1st and calculate for: Gourde (the highest contract gives you the most savings): tell me if you get anything different than $2,453,333

Now use your bs number for Serg: 4.5M

what's left?

It's simple.....your argument boils down to we can easily get player X to waive his NTC and move to one of the very few handful of teams with the cap room to take him in a tax disadvantaged state (almost all of which won't be competing for the Cup next year) during a global pandemic. Before the cap wasn't going to stagnate for a couple years. It's foolish to say because this happened in the past it will happen today given the mitigating factors. There was a reason these guys got these NTC's.

Johnson could lose huge in taxes by being traded
over the course of rest of his contract so I wouldn't be so sure he's willing to say oh pick me. For example, he loses approx (because it only uses '19-'20 numbers and his salary isn't stagnant $691,179 per year in Ottawa, $381,370 in Buffalo per year, $242,762 in Detroit per year, $199,847 in Denver per year, $403,486 in New Jersey per yr, $617,394 in LA per yr, $316,584 in Columbuss per yr, and $688,794 in Montreal.
Check it out for yourself: https://www.capfriendly.com/income-tax-calculator/tyler-johnson

You try to cut $2.765M (worst case Ottawa taxes lost x4 years) of his remaining 17.75M salary and watch the NTC exercised.

but I know buyouts...Tampa's owner is already paying $1.761M for Lecavalier and now you want to add another 5.4M (will need 2 guys as I've proven). Good luck with that one too.

Painful player losses are coming...not the junk you're peddling.

Lol, Miller was getting buroesnon the 3rd and 3th lines here, wasn't improving, and was a playoff dud. You are.delusuonal with your justification. He had potential and for brief stretches looked good when in the top 6. He didn't bring it consistently here and was item in Coopwrs doghouse. I wanted to keep him but he was not going to be used correctly and that hia.numbera were much more likely to stagnate here. Who gives a **** about his team control or contract numbers if that was going to be the case. OS compensation, lol, what OS compensation when he was already signed for 4 more years and would have been a ufa after(and no, Tampa never planned on not re-signing him when they made the trade for him and McD.) Tampa had to make a choice between moving him or Gourde last offseason, and the team chose to move the player that brought them a better return and was, for right or wrong, less liked by Cooper and JBB. It's great that Miller is having a career year for Vancouver, he was never going to get that opportunity here and his trade value would've only decreased. Funny that when the trade was made at the draft, on nearly every site I went on, the consent uh s was about 90% that Tampa got an great deal for him but now you have spoken and it wasnpennieanon the dollar lol sure.

Again those of us that understand Tampa have heard this laughable nonsense before. Detractors like yourself have been wrong for 5 years and then when Tampa figures it out without losing big pieces, whine about taxes and how unfair it is. Serg at 4.5 on a bridge is not a bs number, as his comparables took 4.9 and 5. Tampa rfa's traditionally take a little less, so 4.5x3 is far from unreasonable. Johnson and Gourde would he taxed heavier elsewhere, sure, and yet they are still making a great deal of money and would have a greater role on their new team. Tampa will likely take a lesser return than usual for either because they can be selective, but that's the trade off to clear the cap space. You assume none will waive when that scenario is far from uncommon. Johnson is as good as gone after next year, so he can either work with the team now for a destination he prefera or list 20 teams next year. Regarding Killorn, you've just spouted the same nonsense we've heard from so.many others, oh no, Tampa only has 14 teams to work with, yeah, Killorn will easily get traded(perhaps not for a huge haul, but if 2 teams want him and are willing to battle, who knows?) Again, if Johnson/Gourde won't waive, then Tampa will buy one of them out.

Speaking of buyouts, Lecavalier's and Carle's(after this season) buyouts are over and Tampa would need to buy out one of the ~5million contracts to make the roster work. If the buyout is the way they have to go, Gourde saves more initially but either Jihnson or Gourde could be selected. In any case, my lineup or something similar still works. This scenario, as I mentioned, very likely necessitates the trade of Cernak. It's still far more likely that one of Johnson or Gourde(probably Johnson) waives and works with Tampa to go somewhere he wants to go, even if it means sacrificing on the return. Tampa won't be experiencing any painful losses, just more wishful delusions that we've heard for 5 years from pouty rival fans. Good luck with that! I'm done discussing it with you as well, so while no doubt you'll post some rambling reply, it'll mean nothing to me.
 
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