i'd have Heiskanen and Dahlin in same tier with Makar and Hughes

At the moment I have it

Makar = Hughes
Dahlin
Hieskanen

Dahlin has a chance you be the best out of the bunch, but at the moment im taking Makar and Hughes

Svechnikov is better than Hughes and Makar, c'mon

I would pick Miro Heiskanen and Dahlin ahead of Makar and Hughes.

Defence is not just about points.

Cale Makar is also 1.5 years older than Dahlin and plays for a good team, while Dahlin playes on a bad team and is not protected at all

both are better than Hughes and Makar

I never said it was about points. like I said.... IMO Dahlin could be the best out of the bunch, but right now im taking hughes and makar over both

EP
Svech
Fox
Chychrun
Hischier
Heisk
Makar/Hughes
PLD
Suzuki
Dahlin
Serg
Keller
Gurard
Necas
Kotka

Now thats nuts ahah

Chychrun and Fox over everyone pretty much? ahah

Fox should win the Calder. Chychrun is the best d man on Arizona. Makar and Hughes did have really really good seasons, but people saying they're top 10 d men is just absurd, neither was great defensively (Fox was) Hughes was noticeably worse than average and offensively speaking got a ton of his production on the PP, from Hischier (probably even Chychrun) to PLD I could be convinced to put them in any order, they are really really close, Suzuki is a low event king, but isn't quite to a ZAR or Marcus Foligno level, Dahlin had a real bad year in 2019-20, Serg and Keller are very overrated, Girard is a weird one, i think he's kind of overrated, but GAR just underrates him he has his xGAR or smth, i forget, iirc his RAPM wasn't good tho, Kotka and Necas are unproven/inconsistent

Having Suzuki and Necas that far apart is Criminal

Necas is weird and inconsistent, he had a good P/60, but really not good on ice impacts, and Suzuki was the best rookie forward in his own end