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Petey and Hughes contract comparables - no CBO same cap in 2021

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Date de création initiale: 7 juin 2020
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Assuming continued progression in their counting stat totals, Petey and Hughes will be in pretty elite company when their ELC's expire. I predict a conservative bump in their production for next year, as the supporting cast around them won't really be any better than this year, and could possibly be worse. So who would their comparables be? I looked at other young players signing deals from the last three years to find out, and have capitalized the names of the ones that I think are the closest.

Petterson, 21 = 0.93 p/g in 2018/19, 0.97 p/g in 2019/20 -- 1.01 p/g in 2020/21?
Hughes, 20 = 0.78 p/g in 2019/20 -- 0.8 p/g in 2020/21?

Hischier, 20 = 0.68 p/g, 7.25 mill x 7 years, 8.9% of 2020 cap
POINT, 23 = 1.16 p/g, 6.75 mill x 3 years, 8.3% of 2020 cap
RANTANEN, 22 = 1.18 p/g, 9.25 mill x 6 years, 11.3% of 2020 cap
Laine, 21 = 0.61 p/g, 6.75 mill x 2 years, 8.3% of 2020 cap
TKACHUK, 21 = 0.96 p/g, 7 mill x 3 years, 8.6% of 2020 cap
CHABOT, 22 = 0.79 p/g, 8 mill x 8 years, 9.8% of 2020 cap
Boeser, 22 = 0.81 p/g, 5.875 mill x 3 years, 7.2% of 2020 cap
Konecny, 22 = 0.60 p/g, 5.5 mill x 6 years, 6.7% of 2020 cap
DEBRINCAT, 21 = 0.93 p/g, 6.4 mill x 3 years, 7.9% of 2020 cap
Connor, 22 = 0.80 p/g, 7.143 mill x 7 years, 8.8% of 2020 cap
MARNER, 22 = 1.15 p/g, 10.893 mill x 6 years, 13.4% of 2020 cap
Provorov, 22 = 0.32 p/g, 6.75 mill x 6 years, 8.3% of 2020 cap
Morrissey, 24 = 0.53 p/g, 6.25 mill x 8 years, 7.7% of 2020 cap
Werenski, 22 = 0.54 p/g, 5 mill x 3 years, 6.1% of 2020 cap
Keller, 21 = 0.57 p/g, 7.15 mill x 8 years, 8.8% of 2020 cap
Girard, 21= 0.33 p/g, 5 mill x 7 years, 6.1% of 2020 cap
AHO, 21 = 1.01 p/g, 8.454 mill x 5 years, 10.4% of 2020 cap
Meier, 22 = 0.85 p/g, 6 mill x 4 years, 7.4% of 2020 cap

MATTHEWS, 21 = 1.07 p/g, 11.634 mill x 5 years, 14.6% of 2019 cap
Nylander, 22 = 0.74 p/g, 6.962 mill x 6 years, 8.8% of 2019 cap
Theodore, 23 = 0.48 p/g, 5.2 mill x 7 years, 6.5% of 2019 cap
Larkin, 22 = 0.77 p/g, 6.1 mill x 5 years, 7.7% of 2019 cap
Dumba, 23 = 0.61 p/g, 6 mill x 5 years, 7.5% of 2019 cap

Ehlers, 21 = 0.78 p/g, 6 mill x 7 years, 8% of 2018 cap
EICHEL, 20 = 0.93 p/g, 10 mill x 8 years, 13.3% of 2018 cap
PASTRNAK, 21 = 0.93 p/g, 6.667 mill x 6 years, 8.9% of 2018 cap
DRAISAITL, 21 = 0.94 p/g, 8.5 mill x 8 years, 11.3% of 2018 cap
Horvat, 22 = 0.64 p/g, 5.5 mill x 6 years, 7.3% of 2018 cap
McDavid, 20 = 1.22 p/g, 12.5 mill x 8 years, 16.7% of 2018 cap

Out of this group the only real comparable for Hughes when looking at offensive numbers is Chabot, who I think is an excellent comparable in terms of both ability and his importance to his team. So I gave Hughes the same deal under the same 81.5 mill cap ceiling that Chabot signed under; 8 mill x 8 years. It might be slightly more on the AAV, but it should be close.

For Pettersson there are more comparables statistically, but their salary ranges and terms are pretty different; Point, Rantanen, Tkachuk, DeBrincat, Marner, Aho, Matthews, Eichel, Pastrnak and Draisaitl were all between the .9 and 1.2 points-per-game range the season before they signed their current deals, and as I predicted at the top I expect Petey to finally be just over a point-per-game next season. If the team really wanted to go for an 8 year term I think the best comparable is Eichel, and using the same %-of-cap would put Petey at a 10.8395 AAV. That's really not something the team can afford right now though.

So I think the best course for Petey might be the 3-year bridge deal. It will keep the cap hit lower for now, and extend team control over his rights if he signs a long term deal at the expiry. Plus Myers' deal expires that year as well, providing some extra space. Point, Tkackuk and DeBrincat's bridge deals are the comparables in this term range, with Tkachuk's 7m AAV being the highest of the three. I bumped it slightly higher for Petey; 7.25 mill x 3 years.
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8 juin 2020 à 13 h 2
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F in the chat - you don't have enough cap space to give EP 8 years
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Both seem a little low. Hughes>Chabot by most accounts, so I would think closer to 9m. Petey is a franchise C while Point, Tkachuk, and Debrincat were complimentary pieces on their team. It would be at least 8m for a bridge deal. Trading Beagle and Roussel will almost definitely be necessary.

Also Markstrom will get 7.5m at the minimum.
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Both seem a little low. Hughes>Chabot by most accounts, so I would think closer to 9m. Petey is a franchise C while Point, Tkachuk, and Debrincat were complimentary pieces on their team. It would be at least 8m for a bridge deal. Trading Beagle and Roussel will almost definitely be necessary.

Also Markstrom will get 7.5m at the minimum.


Agree with everything except I guarantee you Markstrom will NOT be getting 7.5m at the minimum...
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you should hope you can get hughes signed before dahlin, heiskinen, makar sign.
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Both seem a little low. Hughes>Chabot by most accounts, so I would think closer to 9m. Petey is a franchise C while Point, Tkachuk, and Debrincat were complimentary pieces on their team. It would be at least 8m for a bridge deal. Trading Beagle and Roussel will almost definitely be necessary.

Also Markstrom will get 7.5m at the minimum.


Fair point on the DeBrincat comparison, but Tkachuk was already being regarded as probably the best forward on CGY when he signed and Point had a significantly larger point production than Petey has so far. He also probably took a little less AAV to help out his team in the short term, which Petey could also do.

But I have to disagree, at least right now, on Hughes being better than Chabot “by most accounts”. Chabot is an absolute franchise stud that makes his teammates better and played the highest minutes per game in the league this year. They are pretty damn close in value so far.
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Pettersson will be willing to sign an 8 year deal imo. He'd get 10 mil no doubt about it. Ferland and Roussel have to be moved
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Hughes and Chabot are equal to me imo, but I do think that Hughes will get more $ as cap increases. If they can get him at 8x8, they’d be super lucky imo.
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Both seem a little low. Hughes>Chabot by most accounts, so I would think closer to 9m. Petey is a franchise C while Point, Tkachuk, and Debrincat were complimentary pieces on their team. It would be at least 8m for a bridge deal. Trading Beagle and Roussel will almost definitely be necessary.

Also Markstrom will get 7.5m at the minimum.


7.5 would make that the 4th highest cap hit for a goaltender, above players like Fleury, Rask, Gibson, and Hellebuyck. There's no way he gets that much as a 30yo tendy who's only JUST risen to this level.
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Pettersson contract is hilarious, he's getting 9.5M AAV at the least.
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The Eichel contract is the baseline I've been using for a long term Pettersson deal as well. Eichel signed that contract after two years in the league and Pettersson has scored at a higher rate than he did over his first two years, so 11M+ isn't out of the question. It's really sad how our cap situation looks.

Chabot is a good baseline for Hughes as well, but I think Hughes will get more than that.
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Yeah I think there only option is to sign them both to bridge deals. Give Hughes 3x7 and Pete 3x8. Then by the time those contracts run out all the veteran contracts will be off the books. Then they’ll get paid.
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Pettersson contract is hilarious, he's getting 9.5M AAV at the least.


Nope. Not on a 3 year deal, unless he's in the running for the Art Ross next year. He'd get probably 10-11 on an 8 year deal, but for a 3 year bridge his comparables have him nowhere near 9 yet.
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Nope. Not on a 3 year deal, unless he's in the running for the Art Ross next year. He'd get probably 10-11 on an 8 year deal, but for a 3 year bridge his comparables have him nowhere near 9 yet.


well yeah but I figured it's also unlikely a guy that lit it up that good in his first 2 seasons would go for a bridge deal. if I'm him I'm asking 8 x 11
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well yeah but I figured it's also unlikely a guy that lit it up that good in his first 2 seasons would go for a bridge deal. if I'm him I'm asking 8 x 11


And he'd be right to ask for that, but only on an 8 year term. I'm just saying the cap hit on a 3 year deal would have to be significantly less than that.
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And he'd be right to ask for that, but only on an 8 year term. I'm just saying the cap hit on a 3 year deal would have to be significantly less than that.


yeah makes sense, I just don't see why he would do a bridge
 
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