stop holding mcdavids pocket, crosby is miles ahead defensively while still putting up a 93 point pace

Wow, super impressive counter-argument and completely avoid any points I make. On top of that we're talking about CURRENT not past, we aren’t talking about his accolades from 10-12 years ago. I agree Crosby all around was a better player in his youngish prime when you compare him to Mcdavid but he’s a 33 year old centre!

Than stop being a homer to Price and Crosby, you hypocrite. Please bring up any 5 on 5 stat that proves Crosby was miles ahead of Mcdavid.

LOL you didn't make any argument, all you said was that he has better metrics and couldn't even prove that with numbers. Fact is going into a playoff series in order to win the cup today, I'd take Crosby over McDavid, meaning he is better than McDavid today.

What is this

how am i being a homer to price and crosby? how is it possible to be a homer to both of them, you said mack and connor are way ahead which is ridiculous, the gap in offense between sid and connor is alot smaller than their gap in d, crosby was 4th in selke votes last year and has been top 10 the last few, mcdavid hasnt been close

almost like the durant lebron argument, people can argue that durant is a more talented basketball player, but lebron is better all around and would be the one to take in a 7 game series

Don't compare NBA and NHL.

i know its ridiculous but was just trying to think of a similar example

How are you calling people a hypocrite and bias when youre the one saying McDavid is better than Crosby, but not providing any sort of reasoning lmao. You're biased and the hypocrite

I don’t like bringing up stats because it’s a decent amount of work without evolvinghockey.
Corsi Relative (5 on 5); Crosby: 2.6 Mcdavid: 1.7 down year for both (more so for Crosby).

Takeaway Giveaway rates (5on5) Crosby: 0
Mcdavid: -9 very down year for Mcdavid, relatively stagnant year for Crosby but I’m being lenient there.

PDO (5on5): Crosby: 98.6 Mcdavid: 102.0 down year for Crosby, Stagnant for Mcdavid

Zone starts offensive and defensive (5on5): Mcdavid 56.6 O 43.6D Crosby: 63.5O 36.5D
Crosby up year slightly, Mcdavid stagnant.

PPG (5on5): Crosby: 0.66 Mcdavid: 0.81

If you don’t understand the stats look them up, Crosby is better than Mcdavid defensively but Mcdavid is better offensively but it’s not by much.

Could be a maritimer, and I’d assume that’s probably a pretty good guess. I admit that my “way better” was pretty dumb, as for Mackinnon it’s pretty obvious that he’s a fairway ahead. Though but I do think it’s funny that Mcdavid was not far behind in the Selke race in 16-17 and was on 17 spots in difference in 17-18 and it would’ve been a lot closer if Chiarelli wasn’t clueless.

to be completely honest i live in the next town over from mcdavids hometown so if anything its the complete opposite, but yeah"way better" was the problem, and i can agree chiarelli is a door knob

I get what you're saying and I agree that Crosby is better defensively. The reason why McDavid puts up better offensive numbers is because he doesn't focus on defence as much. If Crosby flips the switch he can be as good as McDavid offensively. Its like what we've seen with Toews in the playoffs for years

Jake was on pace for back to back 40 goal seasons.
Marchand, doesn't have one. And he's always been surrounded by talent.

Marchand has been better than Guentzel in literally everything. Offensively AND defensively. Guentzel is more disciplined that's it.

Marchand '15-16: 37 G/77 GP (pace of 39G/82 GP)
'16-17: 39 G/80 GP (40 G/82 GP
'17-18: 34 G/68 GP (41 G/82 GP)
'18-19: 36 G/79 GP (37 G/82 GP)
'19-20 so far: 28 G/70 GP (33 G/82 GP)

Less goals, but way more assists (24-46-51-64-59 so far).

We won't even talk about their defensive game

And that's only " basic " stats. Marchand has been a top5/top10 player in the league for several years now. Guentzel hasn't been there yet.

Guentzel plays with Crosby/Malkin so don't tell me he can't produce more because 87/71 > 37/46 offensively.

oh please lets talk about those lines.
Brad plays with Bergy and Pasta.
Jake plays with Crosby and who??? SImon, who ever they can dig up, random guy off the street that Crosby carries on his back....get real.
Jakes Defensive game is every bit as good as brads. And Jake has been absolute money in the playoffs where games count. Brad no so much.
108 games for brad 30 goals. 41 games for Jake 24!
It's really not even close. Jake is the better player who shows up when it counts.

Doesn't matter, Crosby elevates his teammates' game, both LW and RW. And Simon is actually good, not a top6 winger yet but still. And put Hornqvist with him if you want, I'm not the coach.

No, his defensive game is not " as good ". Marchand is dominant on the PK, leader in Bruins history with 26 SHG and just they way he plays, Guentzel isn't even close. Look and find me Guentzel doing this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Uz6awi9wFs

Guentzel may score more goals, fine. Even then, the gap is what, 5 goals? lol The rest, Marchand is better everywhere. Crosby makes the setup and Guentzel finishes it; Marchand does the same, he creates the play and pass the puck to 37/88. Marchand has more goals than Crosby, so what he's better???

Guentzel has played 3 years in the playoffs, let's see if he can keep that pace (especially after the Crosby/Malkin era).

8/10 people will pick Marchand over Guentzel, 1/10 is a biased Pens fan and 1/10 is a Marchand hater. That's it. Guentzel isn't better than Marchand bud.

man you live in a bubble reality.
Marchand has had his whole career with Berguy so don't tell me about how does he do without Crosby.
Stop being a homer.
Jake doesn't PK because you don't send a 40 goal scorer to break bones blocking shots.
Go look at Brads first 4 year. He couldn't even crack 30 goals.
This isn't even close to a comparison it's not just about more goals.
It's the fact he does it on a line basically playing 2 on 3.
You can have every excuse in the world. When you have a 3rd guy to pass the puck to who is a 30+ goal scorer consistantly you are going to have more assists.
You give him a Simon on the other wing and watch those assists disappear.

Take off your goggles. You're drunk.

Coming from the guy who"s a Pens fan...



Cool. Crosby is still better offensively than Bergeron so I don't get your point.



Well, exactly Marchand is just more complete. He scores 3-5 G less but can actually play on the PK. This is just another way to say it.

This remains: 8/10 people will pick Marchand over Guentzel, 1/10 is a biased Pens fan and 1/10 is a Marchand hater. Do a survey/poll whatever you want, someone who knows his stuff will take Marchand before Guentzel. Maybe, if it's for the next 10 years, fine, you take the younger one but RIGHT NOW, 63 is just better. Truth sucks eh?

this is such an ignorant comment.
Ther eare so many teams that don't send their star players to PK for the exact same reason. It has nothing to do with any of that. Maybe if Boston had better depth they wouldn't need to send a 1st line winger to PK huh?
Your imaginary stats of people LOL
You have a hard time dealing with the fact that a guy can net 40 goals and the other can't.
Hell he's had 11 years to try.

Literally every player on our team can play on the PK. Krejci is a playmaker but plays a 200ft game and 74/88 are also correct defensively. Every other player can/played on the PK. So it's not about " yOu DoN't NeEd tO sEnD yOuR bEsT PlAyEr " it's about he's the best on the PK after Bergeron. So if we can play them on the PK, we'll do it. If they are injured or not playing, we can send any other player and we're still be good.

Maybe if Malkin/Crosby/Guentzel could play on the PK and not only in the o-zone, they would've been playing there... That's just stupid



Marchand had 39 goals. Get out with the " can net 40 goals and the other can't "

39 isn't 40.
And you really just aren't smart enough to get it.
CAN and a team wanting a guy to PK are two different things.
In his whooping 39 minutes on the PK last year he scored a shorty. Don't tell me he "can't play it" or that Crosby can't either. That's just ignorant.

You don't send your best players out there to block shots. How dumb are you.
It's just begging for them to break a bone with it going off their ankle etc....
It's why teams with depth don't do it.
Mayve if Boston had depth they would too eh? I mean really. IQ of a rock to not understand this basic fact

So with your logic, Couturier, Kopitar, Toews, Barkov, should not play on the PK if their respective teams have other options?? Let's send an okay guy instead of sending the best one!

Nobody cares about 1 goal when Marchand can get 20-30 assists more than Guentzel.

And they don't need to block shots due to their IQ, just be in the good position and make the right move at right moment. One or four goals, it's also about how you play on the PK or d-zone, which Marchand is clearly better.

As I said, all of our guys can play a reliable game defensively. 26 forwards played at least one game this year. At least 18 can play on the PK. (only 5 regulars do not) and considering you use 2-3 duos on the PK, we have more than enough.

I will stop wasting my time, you clearly don't understand some part of hockey. Maybe time to edit your bio

clearly you don't get.
talk about not understanding hockey.
Like have you never seen a guy get his ankle shattered blocking a shot? Or get hit in the face with it?
It happens EVERY YEAR to someone.
This is not rocket science. You don't put your 40 goal player there to block shots. This idea you have that you can PK with out blocking shots is pure nonsense.
Anyone who every played hockey knows that. Hell McDavid played 70 minutes total on PK the last 2 years. Are you saying McDavid can't PK? Or why Pasta played a whole 8 minutes on the PK.
Are you that thick to not realize you don't put a guy who is your offense on the PK unit. Maybe that tells you how little they really think of him.

It's not 1 goal either. You talk about assists but refuse to realize the point he has 2 linemates to pass to, Jake has 1.
Remove Pasta and put a scub out there and watch the assists disappear.

Maybe you should use your brain and understand arguments before typing. It might help you in life.