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I strongly believe Montreal will OS Sergachev
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10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 36
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all habs fans just move on from Sergachev
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10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 38
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Go ahead and os him, Doesn't mean he'll sign it. Why would he leave Tampa to go back to Montreal? Hab fans need to get over the obsession with Sergachev. He's not going back there so move on.
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10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 52
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"Rumours"....then you say Its your belief.

There are no rumours that Montreal will do this, and there is no indication that Sergachev would even agree to an offer sheet if it was presented to him.
if was was willing to agree to a reasonable offer sheet contract, there are multiple other teams would offer that and he would sign with over Montreal, you think he would pick the team that got rid of him?
10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 54
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"Rumours"....then you say Its your belief.

There are no rumours that Montreal will do this, and there is no indication that Sergachev would even agree to an offer sheet if it was presented to him.


People were saying that would happened idk what you mean.
10 avr. 2020 à 12 h 55
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People were saying that would happened idk what you mean.


you mean Montreal fans on the website and twitter and not rumours from people with any connections or sources. And there is no talk about offer sheeting players right not within teams based on where they are in the postponed season and no cap announced.

Its Montreal fans fantasy scenario not a credible rumour
10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 27
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you mean Montreal fans on the website and twitter and not rumours from people with any connections or sources. And there is no talk about offer sheeting players right not within teams based on where they are in the postponed season and no cap announced.

Its Montreal fans fantasy scenario not a credible rumour


For once, the guy who wrote this is a Leafs fan lmao
10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 28
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There's no such thing as rumors of Montreal offer sheeting Sergachev, This is just made up nonsense. Right now we don't even know th current situation. If the NHL resumes say August and the cup is awarded say September there's probably only going to be a short one month period for free agency if they want to start the season in November. hence there probably isn't going to be much time for teams to offer sheet players.
10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 30
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Then again, the creator might not be a Leafs fans but something tells me IF Habs were stuck in the same situation as the Sharks currently are (losing a top 3 lottery pick to Ottawa), some Habs fans would make unrealistic trade to get back that 2020 pick.
10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 35
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For once, the guy who wrote this is a Leafs fan lmao


Oh I know, just it’s a general comment.
Montreal tried to do the offer sheet route last offseason and failed, just bc they did it once in aho and tried to with point that they will build another offseason plan on the riskiest way to add to a roster
10 avr. 2020 à 13 h 38
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Oh I know, just it’s a general comment.
Montreal tried to do the offer sheet route last offseason and failed, just bc they did it once in aho and tried to with point that they will build another offseason plan on the riskiest way to add to a roster


Offersheeting Sergachev is probably the best option for MTL this offseason, even if TB figures out how to match it.

Someone had better offersheet Sergachev because TB's cap is screwed right now and they signed everyone to NTC's so they will have a hard time freeing up space.
10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 4
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Offersheeting Sergachev is probably the best option for MTL this offseason, even if TB figures out how to match it.

Someone had better offersheet Sergachev because TB's cap is screwed right now and they signed everyone to NTC's so they will have a hard time freeing up space.


Killorn has a m ntc after July 1 so they can move on from him. They need a buyout or trade of Johnson or gorde then they will be fine.

I really don’t see him accepting an offersheet from any team. With how point said he won’t entertain any offer sheets and signed a friendly 3 year deal. I can see serg doing the same thing. That groups in it together especially sacraficing futures to get cheap guys in goodrow abd Coleman. They did that they are going to move out major top 9 fwds so they got their cheap 1 year replacements
10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 26
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Killorn has a m ntc after July 1 so they can move on from him. They need a buyout or trade of Johnson or gorde then they will be fine.

I really don’t see him accepting an offersheet from any team. With how point said he won’t entertain any offer sheets and signed a friendly 3 year deal. I can see serg doing the same thing. That groups in it together especially sacraficing futures to get cheap guys in goodrow abd Coleman. They did that they are going to move out major top 9 fwds so they got their cheap 1 year replacements


If they trade Killorn, get a CBO for Gourde or Johnson, AND convince Sergachev and Cirelli to take pay cuts, then yes they will be able to keep Sergachev. If a habs fan posted a team with that many ifs everyone would be ripping the poster.

At the end of the day Tampa is still losing two forwards who are a big part of there group, and then they are relying on guys taking pay cuts.
10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 40
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If they trade Killorn, get a CBO for Gourde or Johnson, AND convince Sergachev and Cirelli to take pay cuts, then yes they will be able to keep Sergachev. If a habs fan posted a team with that many ifs everyone would be ripping the poster.

At the end of the day Tampa is still losing two forwards who are a big part of there group, and then they are relying on guys taking pay cuts.


All I’m saying is people are acting like it’s a forgone conclusion they will lose someone on an offer sheet. They have a lot of work to do but I think it’s a better chance they keep their rfas and trade guys who are good and will get good assets back vs letting guys go just for picks.

As an example avs could be a player on killorn, dangling a jost level player that’s cheap and cost controlled. There are options and strong market for the Tampa wingers
10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 53
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If they trade Killorn, get a CBO for Gourde or Johnson, AND convince Sergachev and Cirelli to take pay cuts, then yes they will be able to keep Sergachev. If a habs fan posted a team with that many ifs everyone would be ripping the poster.

At the end of the day Tampa is still losing two forwards who are a big part of there group, and then they are relying on guys taking pay cuts.


Except trading Killorn is not really an if, just a when, if the cap goes up then they don't need a cbo amd if it stays flat or goes down slightly then they very likely get one, as do many other cap crunched teams. They aren't pay cuts unless you're a fan of a team that ridiculously overpays their young players and think it's just unfair Tampa actually has players that buy in to the nb team's structure and not just $, and finally, yes Tampa will lose 2 or 3 role players, not core or future core guys, and already made deals for 2 replacements in Coleman and Goodrow. That coupled with quite a few players that are more than capable of filling a bottom 6 role from Syracuse or cheap free agent signing, and Tampa will be fine. Tampa is not in that bad of shape and won't be losing their rfa's. It's the same story we heard with Kucherov to a lesser degree, Stamkos when he was good as gone in ufa and esp last year with Point. And yet they are all still with Tampa, I'll continue to bet on Tampa keeping these guys as well.
10 avr. 2020 à 14 h 55
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Except trading Killorn is not really an if, just a when, if the cap goes up then they don't need a cbo amd if it stays flat or goes down slightly then they very likely get one, as do many other cap crunched teams. They aren't pay cuts unless you're a fan of a team that ridiculously overpays their young players and think it's just unfair Tampa actually has players that buy in to the nb team's structure and not just $, and finally, yes Tampa will lose 2 or 3 role players, not core or future core guys, and already made deals for 2 replacements in Coleman and Goodrow. That coupled with quite a few players that are more than capable of filling a bottom 6 role from Syracuse or cheap free agent signing, and Tampa will be fine. Tampa is not in that bad of shape and won't be losing their rfa's. It's the same story we heard with Kucherov to a lesser degree, Stamkos when he was good as gone in ufa and esp last year with Point. And yet they are all still with Tampa, I'll continue to bet on Tampa keeping these guys as well.


I can really see avs in on killorn and build a trade around jost for him. I think it can be win win for both teams.
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 11
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All I’m saying is people are acting like it’s a forgone conclusion they will lose someone on an offer sheet. They have a lot of work to do but I think it’s a better chance they keep their rfas and trade guys who are good and will get good assets back vs letting guys go just for picks.

As an example avs could be a player on killorn, dangling a jost level player that’s cheap and cost controlled. There are options and strong market for the Tampa wingers


They dont need cost controlled to replace killorn they need $700K, literally. If they trade killorn and fill the roster to 19 players with only $700K guys they only have $6.2M to make a 20 man roster.

This is being generous as I doubt they add 6 guys at $700K and only run a 20 man roster for the whole year.

They will be losing at least 2 important players this offseason if the cap stays flat. A CBO helps them defend offersheets but TB has no obvious candidates to buyout.
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 17
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I can really see avs in on killorn and build a trade around jost for him. I think it can be win win for both teams.


I'm sure the Avs will be a possible trading partner since I could definitely see them as a team Killorn would go to. Not sure about Jost though, as Tampa would immediately have to re-sign him to a new deal and that could be difficult depending on what Jost is looking for in terms of length and $. I believe that fir Killorn it all comes down to if several teams are interested, then he gets a late 1st type value but at worst he should get a 2nd+3rd. I can also see it something like 2nd+solid prospect or additional 2nd type value as well.
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 21
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They dont need cost controlled to replace killorn they need $700K, literally. If they trade killorn and fill the roster to 19 players with only $700K guys they only have $6.2M to make a 20 man roster.

This is being generous as I doubt they add 6 guys at $700K and only run a 20 man roster for the whole year.

They will be losing at least 2 important players this offseason if the cap stays flat. A CBO helps them defend offersheets but TB has no obvious candidates to buyout.


Either Gourde or Johnson are easily the guys who would get bought out, and it saves Tampa 5 million more. They also don't need to fill the roster with a bunch of 700k guys just to get to 20, a 22 player roster with a flat cap and a cbo can work without that much difficulty, and worst case scenario they go with 21. They have been at 22 for much of this season so it's not like 23 is mandatory.
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 23
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Either Gourde or Johnson are easily the guys who would get bought out, and it saves Tampa 5 million more. They also don't need to fill the roster with a bunch of 700k guys just to get to 20, a 22 player roster with a flat cap and a cbo can work without that much difficulty, and worst case scenario they go with 21. They have been at 22 for much of this season so it's not like 23 is mandatory.


Wanna throw a team together to see what it would like like please? Tag me here with team name I'll check it out, I'm genuinely curious I havent tried seeing what it looks like with a CBO, but without one I know they are screwed
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 35
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I'm sure the Avs will be a possible trading partner since I could definitely see them as a team Killorn would go to. Not sure about Jost though, as Tampa would immediately have to re-sign him to a new deal and that could be difficult depending on what Jost is looking for in terms of length and $. I believe that fir Killorn it all comes down to if several teams are interested, then he gets a late 1st type value but at worst he should get a 2nd+3rd. I can also see it something like 2nd+solid prospect or additional 2nd type value as well.


Jost would he in the 1.5m range bridge deal aav at the very most,

The other guy would be kamanev who would be cheaper than jost and needs to be able to play in a lineup somewhere. Not sure if he moves the needle for the bolts
10 avr. 2020 à 15 h 40
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They dont need cost controlled to replace killorn they need $700K, literally. If they trade killorn and fill the roster to 19 players with only $700K guys they only have $6.2M to make a 20 man roster.

This is being generous as I doubt they add 6 guys at $700K and only run a 20 man roster for the whole year.

They will be losing at least 2 important players this offseason if the cap stays flat. A CBO helps them defend offersheets but TB has no obvious candidates to buyout.


did I not say that already that they will move Killorn and will either look at moving Johnson or a buyout situation with Gorde?
10 avr. 2020 à 16 h 14
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did I not say that already that they will move Killorn and will either look at moving Johnson or a buyout situation with Gorde?


Obviously, everyone knows that's what they would do to defend against an offersheet. I've said that numerous times before.

I want to see what the team looks like, it's easier said than done.

I doubt they can take somebody like Jost back for Killorn, they need like league minimum cheap.

A friendly challenge to you to, make a team, post it, see what it looks like. If they trade killorn and buyout johnson or gourde they have $16.1M to fill 9 roster spots to get to a minimum of 20. That is an average of $1.78M per player. Show me what that would look like. If you somehow get Sergachev and Cirille at a combined $9M there is $7.1M left for 7 guys. Now does Sergachev accept $4.5M or does he want a $7M offersheet? If he wants $7M there is only $4.6M left for 7 guys... which isn't possible since they would need $4.9M.

It's not going to be easy for TB to get their roster figured out with a flat cap unless there guys take cheap contracts. People say Point took a cheap contract, he still got $6M+ on a bridge. Sergachev could ask for the same thing.

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Add the fact that I doubt TB runs a 20 man roster, so you probably want to add $16.1M / 10 guys, or $1.61M / player.
10 avr. 2020 à 19 h 35
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Obviously, everyone knows that's what they would do to defend against an offersheet. I've said that numerous times before.

I want to see what the team looks like, it's easier said than done.

I doubt they can take somebody like Jost back for Killorn, they need like league minimum cheap.



A friendly challenge to you to, make a team, post it, see what it looks like. If they trade killorn and buyout johnson or gourde they have $16.1M to fill 9 roster spots to get to a minimum of 20. That is an average of $1.78M per player. Show me what that would look like. If you somehow get Sergachev and Cirille at a combined $9M there is $7.1M left for 7 guys. Now does Sergachev accept $4.5M or does he want a $7M offersheet? If he wants $7M there is only $4.6M left for 7 guys... which isn't possible since they would need $4.9M.

It's not going to be easy for TB to get their roster figured out with a flat cap unless there guys take cheap contracts. People say Point took a cheap contract, he still got $6M+ on a bridge. Sergachev could ask for the same thing.

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Add the fact that I doubt TB runs a 20 man roster, so you probably want to add $16.1M / 10 guys, or $1.61M / player.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1648285
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10 avr. 2020 à 22 h 13
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Obviously, everyone knows that's what they would do to defend against an offersheet. I've said that numerous times before.

I want to see what the team looks like, it's easier said than done.

I doubt they can take somebody like Jost back for Killorn, they need like league minimum cheap.

A friendly challenge to you to, make a team, post it, see what it looks like. If they trade killorn and buyout johnson or gourde they have $16.1M to fill 9 roster spots to get to a minimum of 20. That is an average of $1.78M per player. Show me what that would look like. If you somehow get Sergachev and Cirille at a combined $9M there is $7.1M left for 7 guys. Now does Sergachev accept $4.5M or does he want a $7M offersheet? If he wants $7M there is only $4.6M left for 7 guys... which isn't possible since they would need $4.9M.

It's not going to be easy for TB to get their roster figured out with a flat cap unless there guys take cheap contracts. People say Point took a cheap contract, he still got $6M+ on a bridge. Sergachev could ask for the same thing.

Edit:
Add the fact that I doubt TB runs a 20 man roster, so you probably want to add $16.1M / 10 guys, or $1.61M / player.


Tampa will also likely trade Paquette and move Coburn one way or the other as well. Sergachev getting these ridiculous #'s when defenseman that are at the same level or better in Werenski and McAvoy took 5 and 4.9 respectively on their bridge deals. Serg likely takes a bit less so 4.5 is reasonable. I can see Tampa running something like this:
Stamkos-Point-Kucherov
Palat-Cirelli-Johnson
Coleman-Stephens-One of Barre-Boulet, Joseph, Volkov
Maroon-Goodrow-Verhaeghe
Another one of the call ups or cheap signing as 13th F
Total is around 46 to 46.5 million with Cirelli at 4.25 and Maroon at 900k to 1 mill.
Hedman-Rutta
McD-Cernak
Serg-Foote
Gaunce/Schenn/Bogo as a 7
Total is around 24 with Serg at 4.5, Cernak at 2 and Rutta at 1.45.
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Total 10.8
22 player roster at approx 81 million, so with a flat cap and a cbo it can work. It's even better if JBB convinces one of Gourde/Johnson to waive the ntc and then uses the cbo on the other which would then allow them to keep Killorn. In any case, Tampa can make it work with a few non core losses in this scenario.
10 avr. 2020 à 22 h 31
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Jost would he in the 1.5m range bridge deal aav at the very most,

The other guy would be kamanev who would be cheaper than jost and needs to be able to play in a lineup somewhere. Not sure if he moves the needle for the bolts


Not saying Jost couldn't be involved but Tampa may look for rhd help first in a trade involving Killorn. I know most of Colorado's good rhd prospects are valued higher, so not sure if there's a deal there. If Tampa is interested in Jost, maybe Jost plus a pick for Killorn?
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Jost would he in the 1.5m range bridge deal aav at the very most,

The other guy would be kamanev who would be cheaper than jost and needs to be able to play in a lineup somewhere. Not sure if he moves the needle for the bolts


Tampa may be interested in Jost as part of a trade involving Killorn, but depending on interest, Tampa will first likely see if they can get a 1st or perhaps a young solid rhd prospect since that is where Tampa is thinnest in terms of depth. Jost likely fits in on the 3rd or 4th line here and Tampa has quite a few able to take on that role that will also be less expensive than Jost. Not sure if Colorado has any rhd prospects they'd be willing to trade but I'm guessing Tampa may be looking there 1st.
 
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