Oh, I don't agree with a trade above, but I think a Hall trade ends up with a 1st and a decent prospect going back the other way at minimum.

Nah, that’s the GMs fault for putting a bad team around him.

Wings don’t carry teams. Goalies and Centers do.

I think Hall is overrated by fans simply because of draft slot and hype. When you go 1st in the draft fans expect a franchise savior, 40-50 goal a year, 100+ points a year player.

He’s been a head case at times. And never really lived up to the hype. But since leaving EDM he’s been a PPG guy and 30g per 82.

Yeah Maker is paired with 6'6 Zad, sheltering him.
and Hughes is on a team with 6;8 Meyer and paired with a Tanev brother who is feisty.

Like I said. you can hide a smaller defender here and there, you can shelter them.
You will never see a team filled with those smaller players.
You seem to think the one sheltered player means it's a norm. It's not. It never will be. In the end, like in all sports, things like speed and size matter.
Yes you can put a talented smaller player out there, but you are never building a team full of them and winning a damn thing. Go look at TB last year. The team was filled with those smaller fast players. Literally half the forward group. And they gut straight run out the playoffs by a team that was less talented but played a physical system.
It's hockey man, not figure skating. Come the playoffs when refs swallow that whistle if you got a team filled with 5'9 players you are in real trouble.

yeah a physical dman helps with a short guy, but the league is getting smaller. size will always be valuable, but the upcoming crop of elite dmen are under 6 feet.

Hall might have had better season than Stone thus far (including Hart season), he doesn't have the same trade value as in 2018. GMs won't give more than the Mark Stone package knowing that Hall doesn't want to remain in New Jersey. Devils could get a 1st round pick instead of a 2nd round pick. The only reason Ottawa didn't get a 1st round pick is because Dorion isn't a good GM.

so how you package the deal for hall?

I think the whole league getting smaller is over blown. I think as the speed of the game increased teams struggle to find a talent pool that can play that fast, which leads to a crop of smaller players. But it's like anything else. It flows down hill. Younger prospects see the speed increase and realize they need to work on their speed, it becomes the norm. Then the larger players end up just as fast as the smaller players and that's how the smaller players get squeezed out. Don't get me wrong, finding a bunch of 6'6 guys who are fast is very difficult. In any sport, but they are out there. It just takes the talent pool to get larger to find them. But it does and they do.
In the end if you are picking a prospect you got two guys with same level of production, and both are roughly the same speed. If one is 6'2 and one is 5'9, you are most likely going to pick the 6'2 guy.
It is what it is. Life ain't fair.
So this idea that somehow there is this new crop of midget defense men that is going to redefine the league is just nonsense. Because at the end of the day, teams are still out there looking for a Tom WIlson, 6'5 230lbs who is fast and is willing to blast whoever they hit into next tuesday. And if you are 5'9 forward or defense men that just isn't going to work out for you.
But every team out there is looking for it.

A "Erik Brannstrom" type of prospect, 1st round pick, and a depth player to free cap space to sign Hall

Just because Montreal host the draft doesn't mean their pick is untouchable, especially with Marc Bergevin as the GM. Nothing is untouchable with Bergevin unless the player has a bad contract or NMC/NTC. In 2013, New Jersey, which was the host of that year's draft, traded their 9th overall pick to the Canucks for Cory Schneider

who would that be from mtl

cale makar. norris. thats it bud. ur argument makes sense to an extent. but times are changing

times aren't changing.
In the history of sports one this is true. Players continue to get bigger and faster.
Up until they hit an apex of both. We ain't there yet. It is what it is. Doesn't matter what sport you look at. Unless there is some inherit advantage to a player being small, which in hockey there isn't, the general rule is the norm.

the getting bigger is completely false. look at the past 5 years and the top players. most of these guys are getting smaller, but yes, they re getting faster. and specifically defensemen are getting smaller. a 6'3 200 pound center is the dream, but dmen are getting smaller. that doesnt mean they arent in demand, but the elite dmen are coming up as smaller than 6 feet.

There is no point arguing this. It's just simply false.
Go ask any player from the 70s in any sport. They will tell you. Players are faster and bigger today.
The same will be true in hockey in 20 years.
This idea that hockey is getting smaller is nonsense. The game got dramatically faster in a very short time. Teams scrambled to find people who could keep up and skate well.
Most of them were smaller.
As the speed of the game increases, so will the training of prospects. They will get faster to keep up with the NHL pace. They will focus more on skating.
The smaller players will then get squeezed out again.
It has nothing to do with any single player here or there. No one is saying Maker isn't a good player. It's just a reality. That this is what is going to happen.
Because there are inherent advantages of being bigger when playing hockey when you are just as fast as the smaller player.

ok boomer

That only works if I'm actually a boomer. I'm not.
But it's ok etitllennial that's the response people expect when you have no logic to back up opinion.
Just admit it and move on. One look at sports through time and it's clear there is a trend and it's never, players are getting smaller. Anywhere.

tell cale makar that when he wins a couple of norris trophies and hughes puts up 60 point seasons consistently.

you get way to enamored with players.
How about you go tell the rest of the leagues defense who is all 6' and taller.
Honestly, the number of defense men under 6' is already low. But keep that great logic you got going on.
Tell you what, field your team with 5'9 defense men, see how it goes?

26 points in 25 games as a rookie dman. leagues changing boomer.

I don't know why you keep calling people boomer. You must be mental.
And no they don't.
Honestly, I think your issue here is you are probably short and suffering from short man disease.

make that 27 points in 25 games boomer

so you like 5'3?
short man need to find a cure for that.