its not just him...bc of Marner and the leafs meeting his randsom demands over paying for him....he wrecked the market especially since the next comp was Aho that montreal wrecked the market with as well

Leafs and Habs just creating choas for no good reason

I read on twitter this morning they have started contract talks and Mikko will use Marner as a direct comparison.

Not saying he will get that $$, but probably close. Around what you gave him, maybe even $10m

He will get 10.5m. On a 6 year deal. I know a lot of people want to blame the leafs but all these players held out for more money then they were being offered. These kids want to get paid now.

If the the flames, Avs jets and lightning want to play hard ball they may squander their players performance this year. In the end... still pay close to the same.

Leafs have their player in camp with an Extra year of term and 600k less than his ransom. Funny how everyone thought offersheeting marner (yes even Avs fan) was a great idea and that some how Rantanen would take less because “he knows it’s an overpayment”

An entire off season of “marner us worth 12m” and now when no one else can sign their rfa’s it’s the leafs fault. No I don’t Think so... Rantanen can sign for what he likes. Sakic has to quit lowballing him.

Yes, its going to be 10.5 for a long term...6-8 years.....All because of Marner...Colorado may get by with 10M cuz of taxes...Ontario has way higher taxes than Colorado.

nah man, he is 1m-1.5m over paid....he set his comp to Matthews which was over valuing and leafs caved off his 11m asking price. Marner threw off the market and thats just a fact, wingers shouldnt be getting paid the same as Franchise 1Cs

You have no idea what Sakic is offering, so you cant just say he is low balling him. Get off your leafs high horse and see how Dubas caving bc he was afraid that he would have another Nylnader situation has upset the market

Rantanen 239gm 80g 129a 209pts aav????
Marner 241gm 67g 157a 225pts aav 10.983m
Aho 242gm 83g 114a 197pts aav 8.454m

So marner having 9 points on average a season more than Aho is worth an extra 2.53m in aav? Like I said man Leafs caved and over paid.

Exactly.. dubas ruined things for the rest of the league the last 2 years
Just because these guys want the money doesnt mean that's what they're worth.. if panarin can get what he got as a UFA winger for 7 years, no reason marner, rantanen, thachuk, laine get paid that high for only 6 years
I think sakic has said 8 years 9.5 million and is waiting luit out because he knows rantanen wants to be in camp with his team.
You dont have the leagues best contracts by giving in like dubas

added some stats on Marner, Mikko, and Aho.

Marner gets 9 points on average more than Aho put costs 2.5m in aav? Dubas over paid on Nylander, over paid on Marner...sure it sucks it impacts ohter teams but to act like hes now a 11m player bc hes sign is just hypocrite bc all summer leaf fans cried he should be paid that much

Agreed, Aho is also a centre, Matthew's is overpaid, eichel is overpaid, chabot was just overpaid, only guys who should be overpaid are the guys you could lose... granted would Matthew's have been offersheeted? Possibly so you can give dubas that one. But all these RFAs cant go anywhere unless they also get a sheet and who's going to risk four 1sts for 5-6 years of one of these guys....

These RFAs like laine and rantanen have 25% negotiating power. Pay me 11 million for 5 or 6 years and then overpay me again because I'll be a UFA by then. Or I'm going to play in Europe for 4 mill a season. So basically these huge deals are meant to buy up as many UFA years as possible which doesnt happen if it's a mid range deal. Therefore rant could theoretically sit out the season and make half of what he could right now in a ****tier league, which players rarely come back from... imo the only reason these GMs shell out this type of money is to not create disgruntled player who they can try and extend next time his contract comes up and hes becomes a UFA most likely for more money

lmao every gm waited on dubas to sign marner first. sakic did this to himself.

no he didnt, agents waiting for Leafs and Marner to crack is what did it. And it sucks that leafs folded

Did he or did the agents hold out because of the marner dealings being so public... if I say yep let's sign mikko for 8x9.5 and hes like let me wait to see what shakes out in Toronto sakic cant forcibly sign him against his will

9.6m should have been the contract comparables for the 2 (marner mikko) on 7 year deals..almost 11 on a 6 year deal is just dumb

actually yeah, agents did hold out.

but a ton of people were demanding that toronto sign marner for the 11 million he rightfully deserved, there were at least 5 acgms a week saying he deserved it. so he does, and suddenly everything is toronto's fault because all their players are overpaid.

but god forbid that the players that win you the games and generate your revenue are making more money in their earlier years. guys like point, marner, ratanenen etc are realizing that team friendly deals are a way of screwing the players out of money in their prime years.

I would say recently it is Toronto's fault, no way their 3 guys deserve that money, tavares does, but it was edm that started this down trend...

I could also care less that their were 5 ACGMs a day saying whatever, there was also 20 saying the opposite. If their was no cap in this league then sure give the guy the money but Torontos contracts have already cost them 2 1st round picks, marleau, kadri, zaitsev, and all the other things they've had to trade away in order to pay these kids.

Let's make the arguement that marner deserves 11, Matthew's 11, and nylander 7... let's say they all take 1.5 mill less, does 4.5 million in cap space make them better? They could have got another dman, kept kadri, or brought in a decent backup

This is just denial that Dubas caved, over paid and now has to deal with the fall out like the rest of the league. This impacts your team as well, the leafs will be purging cap trying to make it work before they even get out of the 1st round of the playoffs

He set his company as Matthews but he didn’t get that. One extra ufa year and 700k less. Yup it’s an overpay, I’m not arguing that. But the question was always who would be the first to get overpaid. It’s not like any of the other big RFA’s were signing what was offered.

I just find it funny that everyone said he’s going to get paid 1-2m more than he got and then complain about what he does sign for.

My point exactly.

My point is leaf fans who are playing both sides of the fence this summer. Just bc he’s signed doesn’t mean you have to drink the kool aid and bow down to dubas. Marner won and is over paid, it’s ok to admit that.

But guys now saying Sakic is low balling mikko, no manC we don’t know what he’s offering, and if it’s lower than marners doesn’t mean it’s low balling, one over pay doesn’t justify another.

If he signs the marner deal I’l be happy he’s back but really hate the contract.

That’s complete bs and you know it

It's not Toronto's fault that Colorado can't sign their winger. It doesn't matter if they "deserve" the money or not, it's what was negotiated. Yes, it would've been fantastic if those 3 didn't sign for as much as they did, but ultimately if they play up to the standards that have been set out of them, given based off of what they've proven, I could care less about splitting dollars and cents.

And they didn't give up two first round picks to keep their players. They traded Marleau's 6.5 million to sign Kapenen and Johnsson for less than his cap hit. They traded Kadri for Barrie because he's keeps ****ing up in the playoffs (be wary of this by the way, hopefully he's more temperament with the avs) and essentially exchanged 4 years of Zaitsev for one year of Ceci. They didn't gain any cap space on those moves.

But my point is that the NHL should be moving towards playing younger players more instead of waiting until their in their late 20s/early 30s and broken down before giving them massive payments, only to be a hindrance to the team. I'm not suggesting that the Matthews/Marner/Nylander contracts are perfect and pure of fault, but I'd rather have those three for their price now than guys like Zucc/Kopitar/Skinner etc.



Sure, whatever buddy. Toronto is doomed because Dubas payed Marner a little extra and now he can't sign 6 slow veterans for Babcock to play over all the young players.

Didn’t say doomed just now over paying back to back off seasons on rfas. Cap space is king and you start to chip away at the ability to either keep your own or pay for the quality depth you need to win.

Before you know it, you will be having to make hard decisions Ike do you have to move kapanen out to afford to re up Reilly or Freddie

I've never once said he'd have gotten more than he did, unless it was a joke or sarcasm

Nothing wrong with the nylander deal at all.

And again with the doom and gloom. Been hearing it for years. The leafs will be just fine. You’ll never sign all your rfa’s you’ll have to move this player and that player.... blah blah blah. Leafs will move out players when they have their replacements. No issues.

My question is: Sakic had over 14 months to sign Rantanen, why is he not signed? Were the leafs suppose to go into the season without marner? I think that was the best deal they were going to get marner on without him sitting the season. Maybe Rantanen should have been signed first.

I wasn’t saying you specifically, just a lot of people.