is that really all you can get for rust ????

No, rust could easily get a 3rd. Possibly a 2nd. But everyone on here that isn’t a pens fan thinks every single player on the team is worthless and a cap dump. So what’s the purpose of getting their true worth on here? Lol

dude what do you expect from an edmonton fan. They are so desperate for any help on the wing they just make shiz up as they go.
According to them JP is worth 2 1st round picks!
They have this very weird fetish for Rust though, that's for sure. Like every trade they make involving Edmonton and the Pens is ALWAYS asking for Rust. They just don't get the fact the Penguins aren't trading him.
Now you want Simon, or Jarry, or JJ and we can talk about a price.

im a pens fan.
not sure a 4th and a 6th is far off his true worth. i do think he could bring back a 3rd, but its splitting hairs.

you are actually not very smart if you think we should trade simon. look at his underlying numbers. hes a beast waiting to explode - or at the very least drives play at an elite level.

I'm not knocking Simon's production, but he's no better than the other players in front of him. His real issue is he lacks the physical tools. He doesn't have elite speed, he doesn't have great hands, he doesn't really have a pro shot and he doesn't play with any grit.
At some point your luck runs out on what is happening on the ice. As much as you like to think he "drives play" you don't really have the sample size to say that. You have one year. Eventually the lack of the pro tools shows up. Which is why he slid down the roster. If you can't play fast you can't play in this league, not in any top 6 role. He lacks that kind of skill set, which is why you see people putting him on 3rd lines. But there is a reality that you can't hang onto people not capable of filling those top spots when you need to open up spots on the team for the youth. You can look at what is sitting in WBS, players like Bjorkqvist who are knocking on the door for a spot. They are players who do have some of those intangibles. Almeida is another one. By next ear you might have Hallander.
You can't clutch onto guys who are 3rd liners blocking paths.
You look on the LW, He's not better than Jake and Galchenyuk. Can you say he's better than Tanev, we'll see but I doubt it. Just on pure speed and grit alone I think Tanev out plays him.
You have to win the 1 on 1s, not just be a system guy if you are going to really win. He played 71 games last year, he had 8 goals. That's not the kind of production that wins games. Moving him isn't a huge issue.

either that or this entire brick of text is moot because of your own point.
he put up elite possession numbers and had poor goals/game.
what does that tell you in regards to regression over another 82 games?
I'm pretty sure we'll see him stapled to sids line to help him and jake out. hes just that good.

Some time ago some person invented this CORSI stat as a way to judge players. But the problem with the stat has been and always will be that simply holding onto the puck does not equate to producing offense. A D man can hold the puck in his own end behind the goal and build his corsi number. It means little to nothing.
Yeah Simon has a high Corsi number. Mainly because he held onto the puck. It's a way of padding a stat. It doesn't mean you actually DID anything with the puck.
He won't be on the 1st line. 8 goals tells you why. He's not an offensive threat. He never has been.
My guess is Kahun is the one on the 1st line. He's faster, has a better shot, and can score.

fair enough. i think simon and kahun are both great options up there.
simon has just been proven to work.